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16  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:THE PONCHO... on: July 26, 2004, 08:58:14 AM
Very clever and so logical .
 But it seems that in GBU the hat was already holed.And in FDM, Colonel Mortimer shot three or four bullets through
the hat.  Making only one hole ?   Wink

Colonel Mortimer was such a good shot, he only made one hole, and put the rest of the bulletts through the same hole....  Wink


I still don't think those movies were meant to be formally connected, they are like a series of adventures starring the same characters. And I would not think too much of the guns either. Leone knew his guns, but he disregarded all realism in favor of aestetics, every time there was a conflict between the two. There are, for instance, several cannons in the battle that were not from the period, but Leone liked the sight of them.    



17  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:The gold and the epilogue. on: July 18, 2004, 10:37:19 AM

But it was most likely Confederate Gold Coins, which they may not have been able to readily use in that form. Running around with that much Confederate gold may have put them in joepardy, they both could have been tagged as Confederate officials, or worse spys, (from Union forces, informers, renagades, other bounty hunters etc., etc). All of the South and part of the West would be a no mans land crawling with all types of displaced people.

So what could they have done? Obviously one solution would be to get someone to melt it down into some useable form and keep his mouth shut for a percentage,  but then again you would have to have to find set up some type of money laundering operation with another party keeping another percentage. You would also have to pay for protection and hush money.

Another possibility would be to burry it but it would still be in Confederate coins, and you could never spend in your life time or deposit large amounts without arising suspision.


I'm no expert, but I'm not sure there ever was any confederate gold. I know that they printet notes, which got useless after the war, but I have never heard about confederate coins. At any rate, as gold is gold, there was no reason for this gold to become useless after the war, like the dollar notes.  
18  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:How do Angel Eyes and Tuco know each other on: July 16, 2004, 06:22:50 AM
I think that all three know each other. They are all expert gunslingers, and I reckon these people kept track of one another.

But I don't think they have had any "dealings" in the past, not worked together anyway. They don't mix well, which this story bears out very clearly.

They might even have shared a bottle somewhere along the line, but it is to me obvious that they never had partipicated in anything where money was at stake before.  
19  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Why does Blondie leave Tuco in the desert? on: July 16, 2004, 06:15:54 AM
Why does Blondie leave Tuco in the desert?

Simply to get a head start on Tuco. He "the Good", so he can't - after all - shoot a man in cold blood. But he lets Tuco have his troubles reaching a town and water, while he's trying to put some distance between them.

He didn't, however, heed Tuco's warning and obviously didn't realise how much time and energy Tuco was willing to put into finding him.

"He who double-crosses Tuco and lets him live... He understands nothing about Tuco...!"

Blondie didn't understand...... Although, by the end of the movie, he does. Which is why he gives Tuco his share while playing that evil prank on him.
20  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Kill Bill on: May 30, 2004, 06:56:58 PM
I think he could do the genre justice shorty.

Seems like his next project is going to be a war movie. I'm not sure that QT would want to do a western; he loves Leone so much, I think he would be more inclined to copy Leone than just pay homage to him. If QT did a western, he would probably do it in an anti-Leone style, just to avoid it.
21  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Kill Bill on: April 28, 2004, 04:11:13 PM
Warning: Some halfway spoilers

So, now I have watched vol. 2. I don't think there are any more accomplished pupils of Sergio Leone than Quentin Tarantino.

Pictures, desert tableaus, close-ups of intense eyes, the structure of the plot (the reason for revenge gets told in a series of increasingly understandable flash-backs, like OUATITW), the use of violence (long build-up to an explosive, but short burst of violence), the dignified death in the end....

Tarantino even uses Morricones music, and leaves no ambiguity of his homage to the Maestro.

Of course, there are twists, there are modern themes, there are variations and there are more homages than just to Leone. Still, I think the aestetiques and structures of Sergio emerges as the most important parts.  

I'd love to hear from the rest of you on this.
22  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Captain Apache on: April 28, 2004, 04:04:41 PM
I guess nobody has seen this, count yourselves lucky. lol

I rented it on VHS once, some twenty years ago.
It really did suck, even when I was in my teens. The film is a part of the string of mediocre movies van Cleefe made after GBU, but I guess it put bread on his table...
23  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Leone influenced your life? on: March 01, 2004, 02:19:38 AM
Way back in the eighties, when I was seventeen, I joined the local movie society, mostly just to help out with practical stuff. Participating in keeping the club alive, as it was. Me and a mate who joined at the same time then got sent to a film seminar, arranged by the nationwide movie society, to learn more about the fine things of moving pictures.

As it was, the guy who led the seminar was a huge fan of Leone, especially OUATIW. We saw it several times during that weekend, toalked about it at lengths, had a multitude of details pointed out for us, and discussed it over some beers in the evening.

I think this seminar was the final touch that made me into a film geek. Now I'm 37, and most people connect in some way or other with movies. I never really worked with film, but years in the film society, even more years as a reviewer for papers, radio and the internet have kept my interest fresh.

And I always come back to Once Upon a Time in the West.... Boy, was I happy when I got that dvd, I almost cried when I saw how handsomely it was restored.
24  General Information / General Discussion / Re:OUATITW Reference/Coincidence in "The X-Files"? on: February 23, 2004, 06:36:09 PM
It's always hard to know, when a homage is done as a sort of in-joke. But keep in mind, we are the fans. People who work with films are probably a lot more into a lot of directors than we are, as this is their day-to-day frame of references. And Leone is very much an idol for film-makers. I believe most of those references are consciously put in, for other afficionados to pick up on.
25  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Tarantino on: February 23, 2004, 04:25:14 AM
I saw at least a half dozen interviews of Tarantino since 1998 and he had always said that he's favourite director is Leone.

I've seen that, too. In an interview on the Pulp Fiction-dvd he tells that he always called a dramatic close-up of an actor's face a "Leone". Also, the crew always knew what he meant without further explanation, which also says something about the respect they have for Leone.

By the way, I think Pam Grier was an absolute delight in Jackie Brown, and I really don't think the movie was a let-down at all.
No disrespect for who think differently, though.  
26  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Sergio Leone: Something To Do With Death on: February 23, 2004, 04:18:42 AM
I think it's quite obvious that Frayling sees Leone as a man who, in situations with collaborators, "stages" himself. Likewise when he speaks to the press - remember the documentary with the man sitting like some emperor in what appears to be a dress of some sort. Speaking like an Oracle - he wants to communicate: "Pay attention, the Maestro is speaking.... bow in respect!!" OK, I'm exaggerating a bit here. I don't doubt his abilities as a filmmaker but in my opinion he overblows his own connection with "a certain cinema.."  - It's as if he was absolutely determined to place himself up there among the GREATEST. Which he is, no doubt about that, maybe it's just not a very sympathetic element in a man to want to appear the Greatest all the time...

I'm not trying to be a psychologist here but I dont think one could have made these film without having certain narcissitic tendencies. I too was very moved by some of the descriptions in the book but sometimes, just sometimes, I felt a little stitch of sadness -  is this really the man I have seen as THE BEST FILM MAKER  in the world?? I think, reading this, that it sounds more serious than I really mean it, but has no one else felt just a tad of this reading Frayling's book?

It might be that I just accept artists being a-holes... One of my absolutely most all-time favourite directors and movie personalities is Orson Welles, and he was, in very many ways, a pig. Arrogant, condenscending, self-centered, ruthless... As well as short tempered, self-indulgent and bossy.

I'm a huge fan, nonetheless, and I love to read about his excesses and eloquent put-downs of others.
Leone was a regular saint compared to Orson....
27  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:More depth GBU Extras news.. on: February 19, 2004, 05:23:28 PM
Im not overly keen about this guys talkies... ive been subjected to his OUATITA one already..
listening to most film critics makes me want to chew my own hand off.  ;)hmmm this sound familiar but last time it was the railway  Roll Eyes


I know what you mean about OUATIA, but his comments on Unforgiven was very entertaining, if not overly informative.
28  General Information / General Discussion / Re:Sergio Leone: Something To Do With Death on: February 19, 2004, 05:19:54 PM
It's an excellent book. I just miss more opinions from the author himself - I know that this is maybe not meant to be part of a biography, but still. Maybe it's just a problem I have with this genre: He did this, he said that, his friend then said this, and another one meant that.

Frayling is not afraid to expose that Leone was quite unsympathetic as a person though - sometimes he makes him seem like a blown up pseudo intellectual pretender who it must have been hell to work with. OK with me though, just show me the films and I don't care how he was. What I would like to know is whether Frayling writes more about his opinions on specific films in his "Spaghetti-Western"-book??


I agree with you in wanting more opnions from the author. Frayling sure knows his films, and he is entertaining as h... in interviews and in commentaries.

I do not agree with you when you say that he paints a picture of Leone as an unsympathetic man. I feel that Leone was a truly passionate human being, with a special love for films. He made friends fast, and he made enemies fast. He had a wicked latin temper, but he was also quick to forgive and forget.
And while Leone tried to lie about reading heavy literature, Frayling casts no doubt about his vast knowledge of films, even the most minute details in obscure flops. Not to mention the masters open and outspoken admiration for actors and colleagues.

The mention of how Leone made Henry Fonda rehearse every scene four times as many as it was needed only because he loved to see him act - or even just walk - had me in stitches.    
 
29  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Overhead Shot Through the Bed Canopy on: January 14, 2004, 01:27:43 AM
Overhead shot through back-of-truck canopy/cover:

http://www.montrealfilmjournal.com/dat/pic/M0000764.jpg

Btw: Trier tends to divide people very much - either you think he's making masterpieces or you think it all just sucks. At least it's NOT mainstream.

Trier sucks. The only good thing about Trier, is that I'm not forced to see his crap. Not anymore, that is.

 

Love your nick and pic, Blueberry. I've been a fan of that comic book since the seventies...
30  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Harmonica's brother part of Frank's group? on: January 14, 2004, 01:23:25 AM
Hi

My take on this is that Charlie's brother was not a
member of Frank's gang. He must have been
someone in his way to riches.
How often will you find a gang been so close to
love ones that you can use a family member to help
a hanging?

Just a though

I agree. Certainly a kid at Harmonica's age wouldn't be dragged along by a gang of thugs.

I believe that Harmonica's brother was a farmer or a farmhand, standing in the way of Frank's employers at the time. A sheep farmer in a cattle war, for instance.  

The victim theory is nice. Harmonica not only avenges his brother, he takes it upon him to pay back for all the innocent people that Frank have killed and remove this symbol of evil. Harmonica still understands that the real evil is the powers that lurks behind killers like Frank, and through McBain's legacy, he gets a chance to strike a blow at one of these, even if they will win in the end...

 Sad

Thanks for the history lesson, Cigar Joe, I always found true historical stuff like this very interesting.  
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