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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Let's put together a Spaghetti Western Script!
« on: December 22, 2005, 10:38:47 AM »
The sun was starting to set and the man in the black derby picked up the pace by encouraging the Palamino from a trot to a canter.  They came across an almost dried up creek and the horse sniffed and hoved at the water before drinking.  Jumping off the  the horse the man filled his canteen with the cool liquid.  He took a long draw off the canteen and could hear some noise in the far off distance.  Squinting  his eyes and looking out on the horizon he sees smoke raising in the distance off to the west were the sun was setting.  Mounting his horse and heading towards the general direction of the setting sun he soon finds himself coming across several buildings and stables and works his way into the center of a small town in the middle of nowhere.  He had found what he was looking for in the heart of the town.  The Ace High Saloon.  Sounds of a tinny piaino and laughter filled the evening air.  He tied up the Palamino to the hitching post and stepped up on the boardwalk.  He took a long  look around up and down the street before he swung the hinged doors open and made his entrance.

Off-Topic Discussion / A Good Day To Die...
« on: December 21, 2005, 06:59:53 AM »
A lone coyote yelps in the distance.  The speck grows larger and emerages from the mountain range as a man wearing a black derby bowler hat and black duster on a Palamino.  The coyote howls again and the man pulls back on the reins of the horse to pause for a momnet.  Just as he is about to start back up he hears rumbling behind him.  He turns to see a small rock slide comming from the foothills of the mountains 25 yards away.  He notices a shinny glint of metal next to one of the large bolders where the rock slide seemed to generate from.

The hair starts to raise on the back of his neck and he hears the all to familier sound of Winchester cocking...

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Let's put together a Spaghetti Western Script!
« on: December 20, 2005, 11:01:01 PM »
Let's do it!

Who wants to start us out?

We need to come up with a title and a timeframe.

I'd say a good title would be something like:

A Good Day To Die

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: "Now that you called me by name"
« on: December 20, 2005, 12:33:38 PM »
Well, I think we CAN use the argument that Frank has learned his lesson in letting Harmonica, and who knows how many countless others, live.  When we see the flashbacks Frank looks relatively young so it’s safe to say that he wasn’t the accomplished killer and murderer that he is in the rest of the film.  He may be tormented by his past and feels paronoid about the witnesses he had left alive in his youth coming back to avenge their loved ones death.  I’m sure that is why he sends the three henchmen to the train depot at the beginning of the movie to dispatch Harmonica regardless of knowing who he was or not.  Frank figures that he’s killed too many people and left to many people pissed off at him that as he grows older and wiser he knows that there are going to be people after him.  The older Frank figures better not to leave any witnesses and has already made up his mind that he is going to kill little Timmy.  It’s just a convenient out for him and can lay the guilt and blame of killing a child on the stupid guy who blurts out his name.

I’m under the impression that when Frank was younger he wasn’t a killer of women and children but as he got older and more numb to the killings he does become a child killer. 


Found him again!  The Bartender in For a Few Dollars More...

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Let's put together a Spaghetti Western Script!
« on: December 19, 2005, 03:05:12 PM »
I have done this once on a Bogart web board and it is alot of fun.  Although we had a few rules like if you introduced a character you are the only one allowed to kill him off or someone can PM you and ask for your permission to kill the character off.

You don't really need a plot or a title, I mean you can have one if you want, but it just kind of takes off on it's own and it's really great to see where the story goes and takes on a life of it's own.

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Is that a Henry?
« on: December 15, 2005, 10:40:03 PM »
Ascetically the Volcanic rifle looks very much like the Henry in many regards so you can’t rule it out, however, it seems highly unlikely that anyone in that group would use and operate one.  Although having repeating capability, which Henry would latter incorporate in his own rifle, the Volcanic certainly lacked any real stopping power generating a disappointing muzzle velocity of 56 ftp with it’s self contained caseless bullets.  Talk about lacking power  I doubt anyone in that group would have such an unreliable piece but it is possible that it could have been just be lying around and Manco just happened to pick it up. 

Volcanic rifles are a rare commodity, even in 1965 and are extremely expensive, but it is quite possible Leone had one in his collection and used it for the movie.

A little known film from '81 called The Last Chase with Lee Majors, Burgess Meredith, and the kid from My Hero

It's the future and all cars are outlawed in the United States, California breaks away from the Union and allows cars to run freely.  Lee Majors is an ex-race car driver on the East Coast who just happens to have his old gas guzzler stashed away.  He hears word of the California car fest and makes a run for it across the country in his 300mph race car siphoning gas out of the bottom of the tanks of old service stations along the way.  The Government gets word of his run and brings in an old retired fighter pilot, Burgess Meredith, and assigns him the task of intercepting Lee Majors before he gets to California.  It’s a lot of cheesy fun.  The Score is really great.

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Is that a Henry?
« on: December 12, 2005, 07:49:01 PM »
The 15 shot Henry is the first true repeater in the sense that all mechanics are achieved  by activating the breech mechanism.  On the 7 shot  Spencer you still had to cock the hammer each time you ejected and inserted a cartridge.  The Maynard is a single shot breech loader percussion cap carbine.  The Colt Repeater was simply an extended revolver.  There was, however, another interesting “revolving” repeater similar to the Colt’s called the LaMatt but this one had an 18 gauge shotgun under the carbine barrel. :o 

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: The Guns
« on: November 26, 2005, 11:02:21 AM »

Was Blondie any where near the grassy knoll on that cold November day...

General Discussion / Re: Leone's 10 Best Westerns
« on: November 26, 2005, 10:56:16 AM »
This thread is about two seconds from being locked...

Let's get back on topic please.

If you want to rant and rave do it in the Off Topic Discussion Thread...

This has developed into a total tangent that has skewed off into a gripe session.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: The Guns
« on: November 26, 2005, 09:51:00 AM »
Looks like Hanley beat me to the punch but I totally concur with what Hanley says above.  Concord, feel free to jump in here at any time… ;)

Leone has taken an 1866 Winchester Yellowboy and “cut it down” to look like an 1860 Henry Goldenboy.  The Henry is loaded from a slit located towards the muzzle end of the tubular magazine under the barrel.  The Winchester is loaded by a slit located on the right side of the receiver which Clint does a pretty good job of hiding during the shooting scenes but is still visible several times while shooting.  The Winchester has a “ring” that holds the wooden fore stock or handle to the magazine and barrel.  As you can see were the prop masters have removed the wooden fore stock the top half of the ring still remains on Blondie’s weapon and it does indeed look to me as if a scope has been added to the left side of the gun to make it look like the remainder of the ring has a use for securing the scope to the gun.  The Winchester also had a ring that attaches the magazine to the barrel at the muzzle of the gun.  The Henry has no such ring.  Also, the Henry's, as far as I know, had an octagonal barrel not a round one.

The top two guns are '60 Henry's and the bottom gun is a '66 Winchester.  I have circled the loading gate on the Winchester which you can clearly see in a few of the scenes below.  I also circled the strap the attaches the wooden fore stock to the barrel and the strap that attaches the barrel to the magazine on the Henry.

The loading gate on the "cut down" Winchester.

The "cut down" strap that at one time attached the wooden fore stock to the barrel.

The front stap that attaches the barrel to the magazine on the Winchester.  No such strap on the Henry.

A clear shot of "the thing" on the left side of the gun...

Not exactly the same but here is an image of a scope of the time period that looks very similar.  Although Blondies scope looks to be copper this one is brass.

Another good shot of "the thing".

Clearly you can see the sunlight reflecting off glass in these two shots which leads me to belive that it is indeed a scope of some sort...

As far as Clint’s shooting is concerned he is ambidextrous.  In several movies he shoots a rifle left handed and in others right.  In real life he is more prone to use his left.  As you can see in some of the scenes if you watch real closely he is not being real careful as to taking the shot, almost shooting from the hip so to speak.  In fact a lot of the times he actually closes his eyes right before he pulls the trigger which is a big no no for sharp shooters.  Maybe Blondie is just that good with a gun… ;D

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: The Guns
« on: November 16, 2005, 10:22:08 PM »
In what two films?

In The Good the Bad and the Ugly he uses an 1851 Navy Colt Conversion 7 1/2 inch barrel.

And in Fistful of Dollars and For a Few Dollars More he uses an 1873 Colt SAA 5 1/2 barrel…

Both with the same handles with silver inlet of the Rattlesnake I might add…

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Pistols used in this film..
« on: November 16, 2005, 09:59:18 PM »

Harmonica’s gun is basically the  same as Joe's and Manco's, a Colt .45 Artillery Model(51/2 inch barrel)…

General Discussion / Re: Eastwood Allergy
« on: November 09, 2005, 09:41:52 AM »

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