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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Character Names
« on: December 12, 2006, 01:31:08 PM »
nothing profound, but i'll do what i always do when i'm writing, just shoot off what comes to mind...

1) Sherriff Honor MacElroy(and yes i knew a guy named honor once)
2) Roger Nevin
3) Adair Slade
4) Missy Stover
5) Colonel Hallam Stover
6) Ham Roberts
7) Joe Hecker
8) Hannibal Carew
9) Lon Ferris
10) Fletch Forsythe

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Grandpa Chum, my guess is that you're a white guy right?  So am I.

Don't you think black people should be the people to decide what's offensive and what's not in this case?  You don't have the experience of always being a minority nearly every where you go...of being self conccious because of the color of your skin...of having the history of racial injustice from which that word is a product.

if anyone should decide then yes i suppose you are right... but what i'm trying to say is a country where certain people are socially prohibited from saying certain words while others are not based solely upon skin color is a country hardly making progress, and something i can't support, specially when certain races have the freedom to say the equivelant back, and i know technically it's not equal, but they are just words and i'm sorry you're a damn fool if nigger means anything more to you than any other insult, first of all black people use it so often it's lost it's meaning, and rightly so, second of all anyone who complains about it NEVER had to go through the hardships and terrible nature that the word originated with, sure they still have hardships because of their race and that is wrong, but it's got nothing to do with the word. this is simply the wrong fight, yet it's the only one that gets air time because people love to hate someone who puts down blacks verbally, there are bigger racial fights people could be dealing with than the n word. and part of the problem as much as i hate to say it, is people who make a big deal out of this nothing of an argument between a celebrity and some black people.

as for the reaction being much more racist than what richards said, what he said wasn't race specific, his purpose was to insult no matter the race, they were black and he took it to the extreme, but if richards were anything but white this wouldn't be a big deal, thats my argument for it being more racist, like all black people are above using racial slurs when the 'victim' in question used many in response.

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if things weren't as bad as the "media" is making it out to be, then why would the audience have that reaction?

on a final note: LOL



that is my point exactly, you have it backwards, the media is making it out to be more than it is BECAUSE the audience had the same reaction as 90% of the people in this country, that doesn't make it the right reaction, and frankly the reaction is much more racist than anything richards said, ruining a man's life over a verbal argument where racial slurs were used on both sides simply because he's white and that is against the rules is the problem here, not the fact that he used the n* word. a verbal argument is a verbal argument, and subjectively speaking i'm sure many of you can say you've said worse(not racially but worse and more personal and hurtful), the only reason what he did specifically is a big deal is because a. it was in public, and b. because he's a white insulting a black... let's talk racism shall we...

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i completely agree... I'm not senile, as i've said over and over again(although not clearly i'm sure), if he wasn't justified in even responding to them, then yeah he's a whole of wrong, but i tend to believe they were true hecklers and much more to blame for the confrontation than richards. specially since all you hear in the news is "friendly heckling" or "playful hecklers" or "innocent victims", it's the spin, it's what people want to read, i'm not even upset that the 'victims' are upset by all this, they should be they are pissed at richards, what upsets me is that the public wants to hear about how richards stuck a fork up the ass of a few black people and burned them at the stake at a clan rally, and that is what the media is trying to give them, i would blame the media but it's all just a reflection of what the public needs to hear to give money to the media. it's sickening, much more sickening than a guy in a harmless shouting match saying the n word.

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first of all it is just a word, and this historical weight stuff is bullshit, it means nothing... and i'm not saying the hecklers can't be offended by it, that was the point, he was trying to offend them because they offended him, it's called a yelling match, and that is what happened, but c'mon people that is ALL it was, a yelling match, saying richards was any more wrong for saying what he did than you or I saying any numerous amounts of hurtful things to others(loved ones even) in our own private yelling matches is ridiculous, they are just words, and no one can sit here and say they haven't chewed out a stranger before with hurtful words, that is the point, it's the nature of trying to piss someone off, but it was nothing for anyone but the hecklers and richards to get upset about, i'm just sick of all these whiners going around calling for richards to be lynched, anyone defending the hecklers is a hypocrite hiding under the guise of racial justice, they were words meant to offend in the heat of argument, period. and damn good ones at that, i have respect for richards for having the guts not to hold back because of a bunch of people who like to feel sorry for themselves when it's convenient, and i don't mean blacks, i mean just about every human on the planet now a days, at least in america, if there is something you can feel sorry about yourself for then you do, and it's annoying... look if richards walked up to a black person and called him a n***r or made a comment about lynching then yes, that would be uncalled for, just like it would be uncalled for for someone to call an overweight passerby fatty, but when we are talking about a mutual insult-off in which the ultimately "offended" party was the one who started it, anything goes.

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in fact the heckler screamed cracker at richards more than richards said the n word

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I honestly don't think there was a difference in the way he said it or meant it, there is just a difference in the way it is percieved, he was pissed at a heckler and made racist comments attempting to piss the heckler off in a joking manner, and i'm not saying that black people who do the same to white people should be frowned upon as well, i'm saying it's all good as long as no one gets hurt... let me put it this way, richards is not a member of the kkk, he did not go to a club with the intention of screaming at black folks, this was not a rally, he got in a yelling match with some people and in yelling matches you try to turn the right key to tick someone off and he did, and in spur of the moment situations it is just my belief that race should not be a taboo subject, in certain situations that are harmless and innocent(such as insulting a heckler who 'called for it' and yes it was called for) you can call someone fat, ugly, dumb, retarded, slow, a fatass, a honky, a cracker, and yes, even a n***r, and it's fine by me.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Greatest One/Two-Scene Performance?
« on: December 05, 2006, 08:20:28 PM »
How 'bout R.G. Armstrong in "Ride the High Country" and "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid"?

as for the topic at hand... how about a simple 'see pat garrett and billy the kid'... there are about a dozen of them... lq jones, jason robards, and slim pickens being my favorites.

I always liked keenan wynn in the coke machine scene in dr strangelove

mark rydell as marty augistine in the long goodbye

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having absolutely no problem with harmless racism I have absolutely no problem with what happened... have you guys ever heard the shit richard pryor or eddie murphy yelled at white hecklers... it was funny shit and although what richards said wasn't very funny, that was the point, the point was to make a joke out of the hecklers, and i have no problem with that... it's funny that now adays someone says the n word and we act as if he did a dozen renegade lynchings on stage... get over yourselves and stop giving him crap about it, say it was racist, fine, say it upset you, fine, but stop acting above it all and as if you are superior to him because he said the n word, if it ruined your enjoyment of the show thats your problem, but if it's simply because you look down on him too much now, shame on you for being so f***ing proud.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Greatest last lines
« on: August 14, 2006, 08:01:34 AM »
from hud(1963), by hud(paul newman)...
"You know something Fantan? This world is so full of crap, a man's gonna get into it sooner or later whether he's careful or not."

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Greatest last lines
« on: August 11, 2006, 10:39:56 AM »
from casualties of war...
Girl on Bus: You had a bad dream, didn't you?
Eriksson: Yes.
Girl on Bus: It's over now, I think.

vincent price screaming "freaks, all of you freaks. Mutations!" at the end of the last man on earth... i think it was the last line, i could be wrong.

and of course charlton heston in planet of the apes with "you finally did it, you maniacs!" speech.

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Other Films / Re: Navajo Joe (1966)
« on: July 31, 2006, 05:46:14 AM »
although I'd say navajo joe and the dollars trilogy are not quite equals(very close though) I can't see damn thing wrong with NJ, specially nothing burt reynolds could be ashamed of.

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Other Films / Re: Navajo Joe (1966)
« on: July 30, 2006, 04:16:57 AM »
i think he uses the term dismiss rather loosely... reynolds out and out dismissed it as ridiculous... from what I've seen and read clint playfully dismisses them as being over the top or eccentric... one is being a snob(for whatever reason) and the other is a natural reaction... I also don't think clint sees them as much of a performance on his part, which is understandable... but he's made movies in that nature with the same sort of performances for a long time, so i would be surprised if he despises or regrets ever being a part of it as reynolds does.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Badlands (1973)
« on: July 27, 2006, 07:36:41 AM »
I was really excited to see this film... but after seeing the thin red line and the new world Terrence Malick has slipped to the top(or bottom depending on how you look at it) of my short list of most hated directors, the guy is like a big baby, I should say writer/director, because his direction isn't what i have a problem with, he just writes the sh***iest movies out there and then decides to direct them. the thin red line is honestly the worst film I've ever seen, I'm all for an anti-war movie, but all that spiritual bull**** and horrendous dialogue I just couldn't take it anymore, I had to laugh at how stupid and pointless it was... not to mention it's the only movie I've ever seen where I wouldn't argue against someone complaining that it was anti-american(I can't say I'd argue any movie really is, but this is the one movie I wouldn't defend)... but that is besides the point, it will be a while before I recover enough from malick's other movies to see badlands... even though it looked interesting before I expected the worst.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Pirates of the Carribean 2
« on: July 25, 2006, 09:18:50 AM »
yeah but from what I hear most of the violence was off screen and there was no real gore, just horrible implied deaths... but that was from a horror fanatic with high standards for gore, i didn't see it so who knows... but it's not a very promising comparison.

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