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Off-Topic Discussion / Re:Fahrenheit 9/11 v. Fog of War
« on: July 10, 2004, 09:47:57 PM »
Interesting comparison. I haven't seen 9/11 so it's hard to judge, but when I was watching Fog of War (which I think is a very good film) I kept thinking of Kubrick's Dr Strangelove, especially as Curtis Le May (Robert MacNamarra's superior in WW2) was the model for the character played by George C Scott in Strangelove. For me, the most interesting element of Fog of War is the constant inferrence that the people running the show are just human beings like the rest of us who may have good intentions but simply make mistakes, and sometimes very dumb mistakes. The key difference is that if I make a mistake in my profession, it won't result in the deaths of anyone - they make a serious error and God knows how many people could die. Dr Strangelove, to me, is Stanley Kubrick shouting as loudly as he can 'for God's sake, the people running things are stupid and crazy and they will get all of us killed!' I have to say, it was hard not to reach a similar conclusion watching Fog of War...

Duck, You Sucker / Re:Thoughts on this film
« on: July 10, 2004, 09:31:54 PM »
I managed to get a copy of the two disc Japanese Stingray special edition which has the long English language version (I believe taken from the old US laser disc) and the long Italian language version with the complete flashback. They are both widescreen and the picture quality is only fair, but it's great to finally have the missing scenes I'd read about for so long. Before this I had the short version in a fullscreen vhs pan and scan. I live in Australia and I saw recently that there is a dvd of the film coming out here in a couple of months. I'm asuming this will be the same as the version that was released in the UK, but I'll buy it anyway. I think FOD is great, and I can watch it repeatedly just as much as the other Leone films.

Duck, You Sucker / Re:Thoughts on this film
« on: July 07, 2004, 04:43:41 AM »
I'd be reluctant to call Leone a fascist (although I never had to work for him). Anarchist and cynic perhaps. I've always felt FOD was a very cynical, bleak film. In Frayling's book, Leone makes it fairly clear that his view of politics was shaped by his life in post war Italy, where he felt betrayed by all forms of government. FOD really expresses his attitude towards politics. The idea of 'duck you sucker' is almost a caution - it's better to stay out of the way, because if you become involved, you will most likely lose everything. This is what happens to both Jaun and John. Jaun's stated position in the tent scene is that his country is 'me and my family' and the loss of his family results from his, admittedly reluctant, involvement in the revolution. It's interesting to note that in Frayling's book, Leone tells of meeting a man in Paris who thanked him for making the film. The man had become estranged from his sons because of their political disagreements, then his sons saw FOD and came back to the family. Leone, apparently, was most gratified to hear this.

Sergio Leone News / Re:Leone Film Festival in Chicago
« on: July 02, 2004, 09:31:49 PM »
That is awesome! I'd heard there was a restored print of FOD doing the rounds, but West on the big screen in a new print... here's hoping it's enough of a success to travel internationally...

Duck, You Sucker / Re:FoD, underrated?
« on: June 30, 2004, 02:54:26 AM »
I agree. The grotto sequence in FOD is haunting, especially because of the music. FOD is actually an incredibly sad movie - it's easy to overlook that because it begins with such a wierd, jokey tone. But by the end, Coburn is blown to pieces thinking about the ruins of his life and Steiger has lost his family and left with nothing. Pretty bleak really.

General Discussion / Re:Leone's movie that was never shot
« on: June 05, 2004, 04:47:03 AM »
That would be pretty cool. I actually managed to read the treatment for this and it was a lot of fun (a friend of mine got it somehow from a contact in the film industry in Europe). I think QT would be the ideal director. Just a shame we can't have Leone...

This may be a bit obscure, but in Kill Bill vol 1, when Uma Thurman wakes up from her coma and flashes back to some quick cuts of Bill shooting her, there is a close up of a 45 calibre Colt revolver that seems to me to be exactly the same shot of the close up of Frank's revolver before he shoots Timmy at the end of the McBain massacre. It's a long lens, focus on the end of the barrel, almost identical framing. Is this a subtle reference to that shot from OUATITW? Given that QT is such a Leone fan, maybe he had this in mind. After all, why would Bill, in modern times, be carrying a western style Colt 45 revolver? Or am I just reading too much into it?

Off-Topic Discussion / Re:Your worst film ever?
« on: June 05, 2004, 12:22:21 AM »
I really intensely disliked Jerry Maguire. I thought it was Hollywood at its absolute worst. And pretty much anything by Michael Bay. The Rock was an unwatchable mess - talk about terrible direction, with perhaps the worst filmed car chase in recent years, and Pearl Harbour, my God...

Duck, You Sucker / Re:Will US Region DVD Version Be Released?
« on: June 03, 2004, 03:49:53 AM »
I believe it is on the way. I met MGM guy John Kirk at a screening last year when he was promoting the GBU cinema release and asked him about DYS. He said it was in the works, so hopefully we will have a nice new transfer of the full length version.

Duck, You Sucker / Re:DYS-help
« on: May 15, 2004, 03:20:55 AM »
Hi guys,
longtime viewer, first time poster. Love the site. Regarding the grotto massacre sequence in DYS, according to Frayling, it is based on an infamous chapter of ww2 where the Nazi's slaughtered a few hundred (I think, certainly a high number) of Italian civilians at or in a cave near an Italian town. Leone apparently designed such sequences in DYS to make the viewer think of 'all wars' and this sequence was immediately recognised by Italian viewers, as was the scene where the disguised officer is captured and executed on the railway station platform. This is also based on an infamous moment from Italy's ww2, but I cannot recall any more details. I was actually able to get my hands on the Japanese two disk special edition of DYS via a Japanese friend. Picture quality is so-so, but it was great to see the extra scenes and have the film in the correct aspect ratio. Heaven! (this was before the UK dvd release materialised)
Great to be on board!

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