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16  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: July 10, 2017, 09:49:17 AM
Yeah, it is commonly referred to as the "fort scene", I just blanked on it. While I love that scene, I could sacrifice that for the other ~16 minutes that I really don't care for all that much.

I realize with Leone films that nothing will ever truly be ideal, but I'm just glad that the original US theatrical version isn't going to continue to be ignored/buried. I'm very happy about this news.



This is a question to those with the tech knowledge...was the film stock used for the $ Trilogy kind of cheap? It feels that way, especially when you compare it to the Hollywood westerns of the 50s/60s. Am I wrong to say that this movie will never have a chance of looking nearly as good as stuff like Bad Day at Bad Rock (even though that's a modern western)?


The dollars trilogy were shot on 2p techniscope, which gave you two anamorphicly squeezed frames in the same area you'd only get one frame on traditional 35mm. Essentially you'd get twice the length of footage per roll of film that way...a lot of spaghetti westerns used it because it was cheaper. The reduction in image quality is very small - you can still get a very robust image out of the neg, especially with modern technology. Check out the Italian disc for FOD, fantastic restoration
17  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Pocket Money (1972) on: July 09, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
Honestly I couldn't figure out what went wrong with all the people involved...but I did read in a Lee Marvin biography that Newman interfered with the editing and Marvin wasn't happy about it.

Two of my favorite actors and I love rosenberg's cool hand Luke...but yeah, this is a watchable dud. Your review is right on point.
18  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: July 09, 2017, 07:26:17 AM
Which version is that? The original MGM blu-ray, which does not have the piss?

Yeah, the one that is dnr'd to death.
19  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: July 09, 2017, 05:43:13 AM
Anyone here have an amazon prime subscription in the U.S.? Apparently kino's new "yellow reduced" version of the extended cut is available now on the prime video service. Would love to get an opinion and maybe even some screencaps? Not available in Canada unfortunately, damn geoblocking.

Someone on the blu ray forum is claiming that the amazon prime version is the 2009 version...will have to look into it...
20  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: July 09, 2017, 05:42:06 AM
Unfortunately you won't get what you hope to get. Only a try to reconstruct the theatrical cut out of the MGM 4K scan, you know the authentic looking one with the yellow teeth. But they will try to prune down the yellowness, so that the authentic look will also become history.

Also, in terms of editing, you're only gonna get an "approximation" of the shorter international theatrical cut, not the actual international cut Leone put his name on. Kino couldn't be bothered to do any proper research, even when the research materials were freely offered to them. It remains to be seen how far off they are but it doesn't look promising.
21  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: July 07, 2017, 08:08:43 AM
Anyone here have an amazon prime subscription in the U.S.? Apparently kino's new "yellow reduced" version of the extended cut is available now on the prime video service. Would love to get an opinion and maybe even some screencaps? Not available in Canada unfortunately, damn geoblocking.
22  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: June 21, 2017, 04:45:46 AM
I just did the pre-order. It's $29.95.

This will be the SIXTH disc I have of GBU:

Original MGM DVD of (supposed) US theatrical cut (unrestored)
MGM SE DVD (no original mono)
MGM BRD (red faces, and I believe no original mono, right?)
Mondo BRD (no English audio, serious grading issues)
2014 BRD (piss)
2017 KL (?)

Plus I also have the digital file, purchased from iTunes, on my computer. (i believe that's the same as the SE DVD).

something tells me that, barring a miracle, this STILL will not be the definitive version of the movie. This is probably their evil plan all along. There is no other movie that I own six copies of!

Lil brutto and I have worked really hard to try and convince them to live up to their packaging/marketing which states "original U.S. theatrical cut". Unfortunately it looks like despite us advising them not to (while the new master was still being worked on months ago) they used the 98 DVD as reference. The 98 DVD has many differences when compared to the original u.s. Theatrical version. We won't know for sure until it comes out but irregardless, they were not able to fix the scene transitions that are unique to the original international/u.s. Cut. It won't be definitive but at least it's got some new extras, and you can have the 98 DVD in hd Smiley
23  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: June 21, 2017, 04:38:36 AM

Just read through it, thanks  Afro Afro Afro

The 2014 version is identical to the MGM SE DVD?

Again, I can't click the link to Part 3. Can you provide it for me? Thanks  Afro

Gotta fix those links Smiley

http://theeditroomfloor.blogspot.ca/2017/04/current-issues-with-good-bad-and-ugly_59.html?m=1

If I understand your question, yes, the "extended English versions" are generally all the same. The 2014 extended was recreated from new scans off the negative, (and they based their cut off of the previous extended version) however as we all know they botched the color correction.
24  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: June 21, 2017, 04:34:15 AM
I wonder what these are? Perhaps some footage of Eastwood or Leone in Italy or press conference, that kind of thing.

- Vignette 1: Uno, Due, Tre (0:40)
- Vignette 2: Italian Lunch (0:43)
- Vignette 3: New York Accent (0:09)
- Vignette 4: Gun in Holster (0:58)



These might be the "Easter eggs" on the old 2003 DVD?
25  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: June 20, 2017, 06:29:46 PM
Nothing sensational, I just thought it would add some color, after all the posters & cards are so nice. (about 125 from my archive + a handful I don't own.)

Awesome Mike. Looking forward to seeing the full sets!
26  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: June 15, 2017, 04:05:53 PM
Thanks for the great work, Jordan. Where is the link to "Part 2" of your post?

Also, on an unrelated matter: In what ways - video-wise, not audio-wise - do the MGM Special Edition DVD (I think it's 2004?) differ from the original 1967 Italian release? Is it only the Grotto scene? What about the Tuco beatig scene? Anything else?


I think the answers you seek are in part 2 here:

http://theeditroomfloor.blogspot.ca/2017/04/current-issues-with-good-bad-and-ugly_15.html?m=1

It's a very long post, apologies in advance Smiley
27  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: June 15, 2017, 08:46:23 AM
http://theeditroomfloor.blogspot.ca/2017/04/current-issues-with-good-bad-and-ugly.html?m=1

I have posted an update that summarizes and gathers in one place all my recent back and forth with Kino and in general explains why Kino should not be using the 98 dvd as their guide (and claim that they are releasing a "4K transfer of the Original Theatrical Cut"). If you've already been following these threads on blu ray forum than you've already read all of this..but if you want clarity on the issue you'll find it there.
28  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: June 14, 2017, 03:53:40 PM
Lil brutto and I are certainly trying to get this film released the way Sergio intended...thanks!
29  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: June 14, 2017, 05:06:46 AM
I wanted to illustrate further one of the issues with using the MGM 1998 dvd as the reference cut for the new Kino "theatrical version" (which Kino has hinted they are doing, but have not confirmed). In particular this scene, as Tuco's gang approaches, you can see "one of these is not like the others" and it's the MGM 1998 dvd. For some reason, not only does the 98 dvd incorporate some (but not all) of the Italian version shots into the American version - it actually re-orders a few of them. So effectively someone at MGM recut their own version of the scene, and it matches neither the 1966 Italian cut, nor the 1967 International (U.S) cut. Hopefully Kino will match the 1967 International (U.S.) cut as seen here on a 1967 35mm print and a 1990 laserdisc reference, as that is Leone's approved shorter version.

https://vimeo.com/221519241

30  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: June 12, 2017, 01:19:05 PM
unfortunately, despite being warned of the potential pitfalls of doing so, Kino SEEMS to be using the 1998 DVD as a reference for their u.s./international cut, instead of all the correct reference they were offered. The 98 DVD is riddled with differences/changes from the original 1967 theatrical cut, it includes many shots it shouldn't from the Italian version, scenes are recut using both, and it is missing some shots as well. I have been very vocal about this being a poor choice of reference so hopefully they have other references that will point them in the right direction.
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