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31  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re: New Restoration? on: June 03, 2017, 08:28:20 AM
It appears that although they marketed the 2014 Italian release as a restoration of the trilogy, they only did 4k scans of FOD and GBU (and made them both green/yellow). It looks like from the stills on this page linked below that they used the old scan of FAFDM.

http://distribuzione.ilcinemaritrovato.it/per-qualche-dollaro-in-piu

Currently the only way to get this movie uncut is to buy the German version, the Italian version is still cut by a few seconds during the beating scene. The German version uses some poorer quality materials to fill in the missing material, but at least it's complete.

32  Films of Sergio Leone / A Fistful of Dollars / Re: New Kino Lorber FOD Restoration on: June 01, 2017, 11:45:02 PM
Unfortunately the 2014 "restoration" is a green and yellow mess, with crushed blacks to boot. (Same team that did GBU). Hopefully they'll clean it up color wise but who knows...

2014 FOD screens here:


http://www.cineblog.it/amp/galleria/per-un-pugno-di-dollari-foto/1
33  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Sad Hill Unearthed - The Documentary on: May 19, 2017, 04:50:07 AM
Very excited about this project and made a contribution. Thanks for letting us know!
34  Films of Sergio Leone / For a Few Dollars More / Re: Mystery of the "Girls in Agua Calente" not quite solved...but figured out on: April 21, 2017, 08:23:54 PM
Amazing! Thanks for sharing!
35  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: April 16, 2017, 01:33:21 PM
When asked they say it's from La Traviatta who found it.
La Variatta doesn't say anything about it, so I suspect it might be taken from the fan print.
We'll see if it differs.

The Leone group has one 1966 print still in their archives. The fan group I'm a part of has 2 (one full/one partial.) having the two prints allows us to make some conclusions about the original 1966 cut. It is entirely possible the skeleton scene was part of the 1966 release prints, if the version on the Kino disc also has the unique optical dissolve, and perhaps some evidence of being pulled from a print (dust/scratches/color correction etc)then we might be able to determine that they pulled it from their own release print and voila, we can surmise it was part of the 1966 cut. If it doesn't have the dissolve, that muddies the waters, although it could have been trimmed from the negative at the same time as the extended beating scene. More on this all here:

http://theeditroomfloor.blogspot.com/2017/04/current-issues-with-good-bad-and-ugly.html

http://theeditroomfloor.blogspot.com/2017/04/current-issues-with-good-bad-and-ugly_15.html

http://theeditroomfloor.blogspot.com/2017/04/current-issues-with-good-bad-and-ugly_19.html





36  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: April 12, 2017, 07:32:28 PM
Mr. Lime I guess has seen the potential errors of his ways and has given us a breakdown of their cut!:


Here's some answers to the questions posted by Lil Brutto

We'll do everything possible to release the best version of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. I'll notify everyone of any further revisions (if any), so please drop this and wait for the release before criticizing an upcoming release no one has seen yet.

1. Original 1967 production company credit is altered
Our release will include the "altered" credit.
2. There is supposed to be a “flip cut” transition/optical wipe from Tuco talking to Blondie (and taking a bite of his cigar) to being hung. The extended version simply cuts instead of doing the flip wipe (most likely because the flip cut was an optical not present in the original negative).
This will most likely be the same as the extended cut
3. There is not supposed to be a fade out on the gun shop owner with the sign in his mouth in the US theatrical cut. It is supposed to cut directly to the shot of the mass exodus of Sibley and his soldiers. Currently the extended cut fades out early to black, meaning it won’t be possible to use the tail end of the gun shop owner shot.
This scene will as it appeared in the original U.S. theatrical cut
4. The MGM 4K fades out earlier when Blondie passes out and Tuco is bringing him water in the desert. The fade out in the desert scene is supposed to happen approximately 2 to 3 seconds later.
This will most likely be the same as the extended cut
5. The MGM 4K has a dissolve from the night mission scene to the scene of the coach arriving to the mission. In the US theatrical cut, this shot is supposed to fade up from black, but now the dissolve is part of the beginning of the shot.
This scene will as it appeared in the original U.S. theatrical cut
6. The shot of the train leaving the station (with Tuco and Wallace on it) is longer in the US theatrical cut, before cutting directly to Tuco in the train and not dissolving out earlier to the early morning camp scene like the 4K.
This will most likely be the same as the extended cut
37  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: April 12, 2017, 01:55:11 PM
From HTF:

MisterLime: Okay, this needs to stop, I said all I will say about this, please take your complaints elsewhere. This thread is actually for announcements, questions and answers. The critical discussion thread is listed below:

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/critical-discussion-thread-your-thoughts-on-kino-lorber-blu-rays.337772/


My response (just in case it gets deleted):

Dozens of people excited, asking questions (I wasn't complaining) and talking in depth about a future release of a blu ray from Kino is a bad thing? Wow...so much for word of mouth publicity. I thought this thread was for future releases and the other thread was for discs already released. They're labelled that way. I guess there's nothing left to say anyways...seems an odd business move to avoid answering legitimate questions directly from your market, but you know best. I look forward to the release, and seeing what Kino has done with this amazing film, thank you.





Thanks to everyone who posted. The representative from Kino has essentially told us to "shut up", and he refuses to answer my polite and specific questions about the theatrical cut. So buyer beware I guess...at least we tried. This is only...motivation for the future Smiley
38  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Kino Lorber 2 - Disc 4K Blu-ray 2017 on: April 12, 2017, 08:50:57 AM
Lil brutto and I have made Kino aware that the theatrical cut cannot be fully reconstructed using the MGM 4k extended cut as the only source...we pointed out the differences and even offered help. So far they have given a fairly dismissive reponse. If you want to see Leone's international cut reconstructed properly, please (diplomatically and politely) let Kino know in the  thread below. After 25+ years of mismashed home video releases, this is the chance to finally get it right..and Kino doesn't think enough people care. If you want Leone's cut honored exactly, please voice that now:

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/official-kino-insider-announcements-thread-strictly-moderated-read-guidelines.337771/page-248
39  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: 50 on: January 03, 2017, 05:34:10 PM
The GBU print I saw then already had at least one splice in it.  Specifically the few seconds where the gunshots were when Blondie "rescues" Tuco from the three bounty killers.  Of course, I thought it was just the best editing and scene I ever saw, with Blondie getting ready to draw his pistol, then just his pistol out, waa-waa-waa, and the three dead on the ground.  Only upon seeing a re-release a couple of years later, did we figure out we saw a spliced print initially.  But it - maybe by happenstance - was really good; maybe someone can try to make a short YouTube experimenting to match same...

That's right at the reel change, the kills are at the very end of reel 1. This often happens to the end of reels, they take the most abuse. Even the 98 DVD is missing a holstering shot in that exact section even though it was originally a part of the u.s cut.
40  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Re: Marshal Eastwood in Carmel on: November 03, 2016, 12:08:29 PM
The poncho is the original (maybe it lost some color through the years)

Yes, you can see the sewed up bullet holes and in this pic you can see the other side of the poncho still retains most of its green color. I saw this poncho in person years ago, there was only ever one and I can confirm this is it!

http://photos.montereyherald.com/2016/10/29/photos-carmel-centennial-celebration-parade/#9
41  General Information / Sergio Leone News / Eastwood puts on the original poncho again! on: October 31, 2016, 08:42:44 AM
http://photos.montereyherald.com/2016/10/29/photos-carmel-centennial-celebration-parade/#9

Wearing the poncho and the hat from unforgiven, looks like the shirt from High plains drifter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZs6gHr9fG0

Nice interview here:

https://www.facebook.com/ksbw8/?fref=nf
42  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Charles Bronson for Tuco? on: August 18, 2016, 09:03:00 PM
What's the source?
43  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: UNSEEN FOOTAGE from a rare and mysterious Italian IB TECH 35MM print on: August 15, 2016, 07:21:32 PM
For those that want to see a colour comparison between the scan of our U.S. 1967 prints vs the mgm 4k, here are a few images. Please note that a print from the 60's is going to have more contrast, more grain and less detail overall since it's like a photocopy of a photocopy, for the mgm 4k they went back to the negative. Contrast range and detail are going to be superior no matter what when you scan from the negative. In my opinion though, our 35mm scan wins in the color department:

http://imgur.com/a/uiBBI
44  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: 50th Anniversary "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" (1966-2016) (Burgos, Spain) on: July 12, 2016, 04:28:29 PM
Any info you could give us in English would be appreciated.

The pdf of the programme has English translations in it. I only wish there had been more notice! Ah well.
45  Films of Sergio Leone / The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: 50th Anniversary "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" (1966-2016) (Burgos, Spain) on: July 12, 2016, 04:50:20 AM
This looks amazing
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