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31  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: I quattro dell'Ave Maria aka Ace High (1968) on: January 17, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
Saw some clips of this on youtube. Don't look too bad.  Gotta catch the whole film...
32  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Name Your Top 20 Westerns of all time... on: January 16, 2018, 05:43:50 AM
with the usual qualifications (off the top of my head, no particular order other than alphabetical... )

1-18
Dances With Wolves
Duck, You Sucker
The Far Country
A Fistful of Dollars
For a Few Dollars More
Fort Apache
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
The Gunfighter
Jesse James (it's sequel, The Return of Frank James, is pretty good, too)
The Magnificent Seven
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
McCabe & Mrs. Miller
My Darling Clementine
Once Upon a Time in the West
Red River
Rio Bravo
Shane
Stagecoach

19-23
The Big Country
Django
Ride Lonesome
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
The Tall T






High noon is not on your list either. It seems to be a polarizing film.  It seems people either like it or don't. No middle ground...
33  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Name Your Top 20 Westerns of all time... on: January 15, 2018, 06:59:59 PM
Currently I'd go something like this:

1. Tie Between, The Good The bad And The Ugly and Once Upon A Time In The West
2. The Searchers
3. Hombre
4. McCabe & Mrs. Miller
5. The Wild Bunch
6. 3:10 To Yuma (original)
7. Man Of The West
8. The Tall T
9. Red River
10. My Darling Clementine
11. For A Few Dollars More
12. Rawhide
13. The Oxbow Incident
14. Yellow Sky
15. Rio Conchos
16. The Big Gundown
17. The Bravados
18. Ride The High Country
19. Day Of The Outlaw
20. High Noon

I was trying to think of the  Day of the Outlaw.  I saw the last few scenes of it.  It looked pretty good.   Lots of people like McCabe and Mrs. Miller. I tried watching once and didn't like it for some reason. I might have to look at it again.  Glad i saw Rawhide and The Oxbow Incident on your list.  Great movies...
34  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Name Your Top 20 Westerns of all time... on: January 15, 2018, 06:57:10 PM
Pale Rider over Shane? That's like having Body Heat over Double Indemnity. Sorry, had to give you a little gruff about that one.



The Searchers
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
The Wild Bunch
Once Upon a Time in the West
Rio Bravo
Shane
My Darling Clementine
3:10 to Yuma
Red River
Unforgiven
Stagecoach
For a Few Dollars More
The Magnificent Seven
Forty Guns
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
Yellow Sky
Jeremiah Johnson
The Great Silence
Johnny Guitar
Seven Men From Now
Man of the West




Could easily be in the 17-21 range:


The Ballad of Cable Hogue
A Fistful of Dynamite
Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid
The Man From Laramie
Ride Lonesome
The Tall T
The Naked Spur
Jubal
The Bravados
Face to Face
A Fistful of Dollars
Day of the Outlaw

  I didn't like the subplot of Shane.  It resembled Pale Rider in a sense that a outsider kinda took over a man's family.  The ending of Shane was pretty good though.  I need to watch it again...
35  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Name Your Top 20 Westerns of all time... on: January 15, 2018, 06:55:40 PM
The list could change if you ask me the same question tomorrow, especially since I have the feeling I'm forgetting a couple of important ones.

1 - Once Upon a Time in the West
2 - The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
3 - Little Big Man
4 - The Wild Bunch
5 - For a few Dollars more
6 - The Searchers
7 - My Name is Nobody
8 - Unforgiven
9 - Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
10 - Jeremiah Johnson
11 - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
12 - Pat Garret and Billy the Kid
13 - Dance with the Wolves
14 - The Great Silence
15 - Pale Rider
16 - Cheyenne Autumn
17 - Rio Bravo
18 - High Noon
19 - High Plains Drifter
20 - A Fistful of Dollars

Almost made it:

Shane
Warlock
The Professionals
Josey Wales
The Stagecoach
My Darling Clementine
Ride the High Country
True Grit (2010)


Rio Bravo is one of the movies on that list that i have yet to see but have heard good things about.  Haven't had a chance to review The Great Silence yet either.  Glad to see The Professionals on your list and Warlock. I forgot about that one...
36  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Name Your Top 20 Westerns of all time... on: January 14, 2018, 04:58:41 PM
Haven't done this in a while.  My latest list.  (disclaimers) I intentionally left off westerns made after 1970.  High Plains drifter, Unforgiven and a few others i really like). Also, these are the top westerns i have seen soo far.

1. Once Upon a Time in the West.  One of the all time best movies across any genre.

2. The Oxbow Incident.  Another masterpiece.  Subject matter keeps this movie low profile.

3. My Darling Clementine.  A movie i didn't particularly care about at first. Then i watched it a second time.  A masterpiece.

4. High Noon.  The simplicity of the plot. The tension. The cinematography.  The music.  My favorite Gary Cooper performance.

5. For A Few Dollars More.  Captain Mortimer. Indio.  My favorite of the 3 Eastwood sphagetti's made with Leone.

6. The Wild Bunch.  The realism of the action in this movie seperates it from every western ever made.

7.  3:10 to Yuma. (1957). My favorite performances from Van Heflin and Glenn Ford. A excellent plot and cinematography make this a masterpiece.

8. Red River.  The cattle drive. John Wayne. Walter Brennan. Montgomery Cliff. The cinematography.  Another masterpiece.

9. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  I love the different moral lessons touched upon in this movie. Great performances from Wayne, Stewart, Strode and Marvin.

10. The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.  Great western. Great performances. Felt it was too long and had some implausible moments.

11. The Westerner.  Walter Brennan as a bad heavy was impressive in this one. I loved Cooper in this also. Great ending.

12. Stagecoach. A masterpiece. What else needs to be said?

13. Rawhide.  A greatly underrated western.  Probably the best western that shows how the old stagecoach stages worked.  My favorite Jack Elam western.  Very well done.

14. Death Rides a Horse.  This is the best non Leone sphagetti western i have seen thus far.  Its the closest to what he did. The tone and everything matched up. If Eastwood had played the part that John Phillip Law did, I'm certain this would have been considered a greater film than it already is.

15. The Gunfighter.  My favorite Gregory Peck film.  I love simple plots. Another great tension film.

16. The Big Gundown.  I didn't particularly like Tuco in GBU, but if Eli Wallach had played Tomia's part ( I like Milan though), this one would have been a more well known western).

17. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. If not for the 3rd wheel romance that i felt bogged the middle of the movie down, this could've been a top 10 western.

18. Ride the High Country.  I may be rating this lower on my list than i should. This is the ONLY Randolph Scott western i like. Joel McCrea was good here too.

19. The Big Country.  Peck, Ives, Connors, Heston. This was a epic western that was pretty good.

20. The Fastest Gun Alive.  A plot very similar to The Gunfighter. A great western.

Honorable mention:

A Fist Full of Dollars.  Leone was learning with this one. Still a great movie.

Barquero.  This movie might need to be higher on my list.  One of Warren Oate's best films.  Reminds me of High Plains Drifter.

The Professionals.  This movie might need to be higher on  my list.

Winchester 73.  A very well done western.  One of the two westerns i like that Stewart made.

Gunman's walk. I liked this western. Another underrated one.

The Man from Laramie. Very good western by stewart.

Yellow Sky.  ( haven't finished watching this one, but it has signs of maybe pushing into my top 20).

Sabatha.  Take the Wild West West stuff out of this film and replace it with a more straight forward tone and this would've been a great Van Cleef film.

The Baron of Arizona.  Saw the last few scenes. I know this will be higher once i get to review the whole film.

37  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Alex Cox / Lee Van Cleef interview on: January 14, 2018, 04:03:53 PM
Excellent interview. Lee Van Cleef sums up WHY i don't like most of the " circus " sphagetti westerns.  He said they were spoofs of westerns. Thats exactly the tone i get from the majority of the non Leone Italian westerns.   
38  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Il mercenario aka The Mercenary/A Professional Gun (1968) on: January 13, 2018, 11:43:14 AM
You got your films mixed up Moorman. Volonte wasn't in Il mercenario.  Huh

Another point A Professional Gun is supposed to be a trimmed down Il Mercenario make sure it's the 110 minute version in wide screen.

Yes, I did mix them up.  I liked Volonte in Face to Face...
39  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Il mercenario aka The Mercenary/A Professional Gun (1968) on: January 12, 2018, 08:04:46 PM
I honestly couldn't care any less that he didn't like the movie, but why post "Did not like this movie...  3 out of 10..." on a message board? At best, it offers nothing in terms of discussion and at worst it's troll bait, and bad bait at that.

I have a tough time relating with not being able to articulate why someone doesn't like something, but that's probably a different debate altogether.

To sum it up, i didn't like the tone of the film. I've already said in other threads that i like a more serious tone to westerns.  I loved Volonte in the Leone films.  Did not like him at all in this film.
40  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Il mercenario aka The Mercenary/A Professional Gun (1968) on: January 12, 2018, 08:01:26 PM
I happen to have enjoyed this movie very much, but I disagree with your insistence that he has to discuss in detail what he didn’t like. Saying he doesn’t like anything about the movie means he doesn’t like the story, acting, cinematography, music, etc. Is it necessary to go through all that in detail?

A movie, like any artwork - painting, book, music - either appeals to someone or doesn’t. It’s not always easy to explain what one doesn’t like about something. If he didn’t enjoy it, he didn’t enjoy it.

I like Groggy’s advice: A simple “it sucked” will suffice  Azn

Thanks. I appreciate it.  I REALLY didn't wanna go into all the reasons why i didn't like it. You summed it up.
41  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Villa Rides (1968) on: January 11, 2018, 06:11:39 PM
Nah, it's way beneath every Peckinpah western, even beneath The Glory Guys, and also way beneath the best Revolution-SWs The Mercenary or Quien sabe?

I'm TOTALLY OPPOSITE.  Villa Rides is better than The Mercenary,  A Bullet for the General and probably every other sphagetti western about the mexican revolution...
42  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967) on: January 11, 2018, 03:34:53 PM
Have you seen A Bullet For A General?

I have that in my collection.  I'll give a review soon...
43  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: Il mercenario aka The Mercenary/A Professional Gun (1968) on: January 11, 2018, 03:32:49 PM
Wow  Shocked

Care to share anything more...?



I really can't find anything about the movie that i liked...lol
44  Films of Sergio Leone / Other Films / Re: High Plains Drifter (1973) on: January 11, 2018, 03:14:26 PM
Adding my bit.

Supernatural Western?

A lone gunman with no name and seemingly with no past, rides into the dusky town of Lago. The residents of Lago at first view the stranger with suspicion, but when news that some outlaws that are out for blood are on their way to town, they ask the stranger for his help.

This is Clint Eastwood's first Western film that he directed, and it's clear and evident that the guy not only loves the genre that made his name, he also knows what makes it work. Obviously having worked for Sergio Leone, Eastwood was making notes because High Plains Drifter oozes the mythical aura of many of Leone's finest genre offerings. To which, with thanks, the result is one of the best offerings in the 70s for the Oater enthusiast.

The film opens with our mysterious drifter slowly coming out of the beautiful sprawling haze and into Lago, it's ethereal, then there's just the sound of the horse breathing and the clop of its hooves that can be heard (the sound mix here is incredible), it's a gloriously mysterious opening that sets the tone perfectly. Yet Eastwood is just toying with us though, for a quick jolt of sex and violence snaps us out of the beatific warmth and into a quite hauntingly cold and morally challenged place. From here on in the stranger will demand all manner of odd things from the residents of Lago, he seems to be toying with them and revelling in their discomfort, with Lago quickly resembling an arid hellhole. You see, Lago has a dark secret, and our mysterious stranger has a purpose, and it's this purpose that makes High Plains Drifter an intriguing and gripping experience.

A well known fact now is that the great man of the genre, John Wayne, wrote Eastwood to strongly complain about his harsh vision of the West, one can only think the Duke failed to grasp the post Vietnam feel of a 70s made Western. It's a great directorial effort from Eastwood, more so when you marry up his acting performance to his directorial duties. Very much the perfect role, it lets Eastwood accentuate his rugged Western leanings. Eastwood would direct the similarly themed Pale Rider in the 80s and then the genre crown topper Unforgiven in the 90s. A Western great in each decade? Well that will always be debatable, but what we do know is that the Western genre was considerably lucky to have had such a man to keep the genre going for the newer interested wanderers into the Wild West.

Beautifully photographed (Bruce Surtees) on the shores of Mono Lake, California, it's a film pungent with sex, sadism, retribution and risks. High Plains Drifter is mystical and magnificent and essential Western fare. 9/10

Great write up on this film. I've always considered this film to be a sphagetti western.  Pale Rider is the other sphagetti western that Eastwood made. Heck, you can almost put Hangem High in there too.  Back to this film.  I consider this film, along with Death Rides a Horse as the closest films to what Leone did in the sphagetti western genre.  The Big Gundown, Day of Anger and Pale Rider are not too far behind.
45  Other/Miscellaneous / Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw on: January 11, 2018, 01:18:01 PM
Sometimes I really don't understand you ...

Or is there another film with that title ... Wink

Everybody is not gonna like the same thing...
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