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General Discussion / Re: Conflicting things about Sergio
« on: August 02, 2005, 06:52:16 PM »
You could also add Vincenzoni or Donati to the list. But maybe hate is not the right word. I think that if Eastwood  really hated him, then he's an imbecile. He doesn't strike me like being that. And I don't have read that he "hated" him.

If Eastwood had "hated" Leone, he wouldn't have dedicated his masterpiece "To Sergio and Don" ... would he?

Too bad I didn't know about this sooner ... I just got Film Forum's latest e-mail newsletter when I turned on my computer at 8:30 tonight. It informed me that

Eli Wallach, co-star of Sergio Leone’s THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY (1966), will appear in person to introduce the 8:00 show on Wednesday, December 3.

Did anyone here get to see ol' Tuco?

Der blaue Engel will be a Christmas Eve/Christmas day sugarplum ... more info here:

James! It's been a long time! It's good to see old friends again!  ;D

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there is any more Leone in Film Forum's pipeline. As you might have noted elsewhere on this board, they did precede the "Dollars" trilogy (if it's a trilogy) with a week's worth of Duck You Sucker/Fistful of Dynamite ... but that is all. It looks as if your time in the city will coincide with a Josef von Sternberg retrospective ...

Just thought I would mention that I went to the Fistful screening yesterday, Friday, at 5:30. The theater was only around half full, so anyone in the New York area who loves these films has no excuse to miss catching at least one of them in their remaining screenings.  ;)

The schedule:

A Fistful of Dollars: Nov. 28-29 at 1:30, 3:30, 5:30, 7:30, 9:30

For a Few Dollars More: Dec. 1-2 at 1:30, 4:00, 6:30, 9:00

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Dec. 3-4 at 1:00, 4:30, 8:00

The truly dedicated can see a marathon offering of all three films (separate admission for each) on November 30 (A Fistful of Dollars at 4:20, For a Few Dollars More at 6:20 and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly at 1:00 and 8:50).

Film Forum is at 209 West Houston Street, between 6th Avenue and 7th Avenue, in New York's Greenwich Village.

You can read more in the topic I posted here on the Clint Eastwood Web Board!

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Tribeca Film Festival
« on: May 06, 2003, 09:40:04 PM »
I'm going to be there ... at the Tribeca Film Festival! Is anyone else from this board going?

Sergio Leone News / Restored GBU coming to theaters ... and AMC!
« on: March 06, 2003, 10:18:06 AM »
Garry Cowell posted this link down in the GBU forum, but I think it's so important that I'm going to repeat it up here, and post the full story:

The 2003 Film Restoration of THE Good, THE Bad AND THE Ugly
Hollywood, March 5, 2003

This article is sort of an extended announcement, about a film restoration that first proposed in 1997, that has finally come to pass.

The January 1998 MGM DVD of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly had an important extra on board, approximately 16 minutes of scenes new to the United States, that had been part of the 180-minute Rome premiere cut of the film from 1966. Savant wrote about them in an early article.

Since then, Sergio Leone fans have been talking about the missing scenes, asking why they couldn't be reinstated in the film. Only the earlier 162 minute cut was ever dubbed into English. The plan to re-record Clint Eastwood and Eli Wallach's new dialogue was approved in theory almost from the beginning - but the project had never been able to attract the needed restoration budget.
AMC, the American Movie Channel, stepped in this year with the several hundred thousand dollars needed to do the job. Archivist John Kirk of MGM Technical Services oversaw the restoration. It was more complicated than just remixing the film with a few new looped lines of dialogue.

The Cineteca Nazionale in Italy did the bulk of the restoration by providing a good negative of the longest Italian cut, which is still a couple of minutes short of the original 3 hours. It was the source for the Italian-language-only scenes on the previous DVD.

In two separate sessions, John Kirk recorded the missing dialogue lines with Eastwood and Wallach. Several lines were also needed for the late Lee Van Cleef. A voiceover artist named Simon Prescott provided the growling voice for Angel Eyes (or Setenza, if you will).
The surprise for fans will be yet more footage, which the Italians located separately and was reportedly part of the original Rome premiere version. John Kirk has re-integrated the legendary Grotto scene into this new restoration. About halfway through the movie, three outlaws attempt to shoot Joe (the Eastwood character), with a predictable lack of success. The Grotto scene explains where the desperados came from. It's a very humorous passage for Eli Wallach's Tuco, showing a little more depth to his character as he bilks the three would-be hit men.

In the interest of clarity, there are two items that couldn't be included in this restoration. When Angel Eyes has Tuco beaten in the prison, about a minute's worth of Eli Wallach being pummelled, intercut with shots of the prisoner's chorus singing outside, were cut from the film soon after its first release. No good picture materials have been found for it. John recorded the necessary dialogue, and would have liked to restore the scene, as the American re-cut mangles the Ennio Morricone 'Ballad of a Soldier' song. But, not this time.
Real Leone detail-types still ask about two more scenes that show up in stills. In one, Tuco raises money by pretending to collect for charity from the citizens of a small town. A couple of stills exist showing Wallach standing on a wooden platform and making a speech. The scene was probably shot, but wasn't finished or mixed in any version of the film.

The second mystery is in the original still keyset, which shows Eastwood kissing a woman in a bed, a setup that does not appear in the film at all. It may have been a posed publicity still, but more likely than not there was such a scene shot, that also no longer exists.  1

Neither of these scenes are part of this restoration, of course.
John Kirk has made new 35mm prints, remixed in stereo 5.1 by Intersound. Triage, a top restoration house, handled the final film work, replacing the Italian titles with the American version, etc.

So, Where's this going to be Shown?

Before its repremiere on AMC, the restoration will be screened twice in New York. The Tribeca Film Festival will have it on May 7, and then it will play at the Film Forum on May 30. It will probably only play in major cities - in Los Angeles the Nuart will have it for a week starting June 20.

AMC will premiere the restoration uncut and without commercials (the first broadcast only) on May 10, which will be the big opportunity for most of us to see it. The only reason it's being given special treatment is because of an AMC film restoration promotion; it will show again several times, but with the cable channel's usual station breaks.

Now what about a DVD?

No DVD of the new restoration is in the works as yet. A special edition was planned in 2001 but cancelled. Savant would guess that if one came out, it would be 2004 at the earliest.

So, it's been a long time waiting to make this announcement. I'm curious to hear the new mix, and to see the Grotto scene, which I've only viewed pan-scanned on a fuzzy vhs tape. I'm also curious to hear how Clint and Eli sound, as nobody's voice stays the same for 36 years ... I'm told that they work out quite well. I hope this news will make Sergio Leone fans happy.

Glenn Erickson - March 5, 2003


Some authoritative information from Ulrich Angersbach, 3/6/03:

Hello Glenn, With surprise I read your article concerning the GBU 2003 restoration. Great news. Please allow some corrections from my side.

The 2 scenes you mentioned (Tuco standing on a wooden platform & Eastwood in bed with a woman) belong to one scenario - the lSOCORRO sequence.
The actress in bed with Eastwood is Silvana Bacci, now 56 years old and living in Rome. A friend of mine visted her recently for an interview. She confirmed that filming with Sergio Leone took place at Elios Studios, Rome and in the vicinity of Almeria, Spain.

The scene was completely filmed and edited - but it was decided not to include it in the movie - eventually because the film was too long. I got in contact with Alberto Grimaldi about the remains of it; he send me a letter pointing out that the scene was lost - most likely stolen.

The last thing I would like to say is that the premiere version of the film (December 1966 in Rome) had a length of 177 minutes and 43 seconds. Hence the now rereleased print is approx. the same as the one shown in Rome 36 years ago.

Maybe you can agree modifying your Savant statement concerning the a.m. items. Enclosed as well an unknown shot given from Silvana Bacci.

Best regards from Frankfurt - Ulrich Angersbach 3/6/03

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Status of GBU rumor?
« on: March 06, 2003, 10:12:54 AM »
This story now HAS been verified! The restored GBU is coming to New York in May, then to other major U.S. cities. After the theatrical premiere, AMC will premiere the restoration "uncut and without commercials (the first broadcast only)" on May 10.

Thanks to Garry Cowell for posting the link in this forum, in this thread.

I'm going to repeat the link here:

It's from the DVD Savant, who I think is a reliable source.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Status of GBU rumor?
« on: February 27, 2003, 02:02:04 PM »
They're in English, not in Italian?  ??? That's strange. What language is the rest of the film in?

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Status of GBU rumor?
« on: February 27, 2003, 01:49:24 PM »
Yes, shorty, those scenes are on the English-language Region One DVD too (released in 1998), but the dialogue is in Italian, and they're not part of the film, but presented as extras. How is it on the French DVD?

No, what I'm talking about is a rumor that these scenes would actually be redubbed into English by the original actors (except Van Cleef), or rather dubbed for the first time, because there was never an English language track for them. It would then be re-released to theaters before coming out on DVD.

General Discussion / Re:Do women love Leone too
« on: February 26, 2003, 06:28:32 PM »
Wow,you must be the FIRST woman that I've ever encountered on a Sergio Leone message board(not that there are many SL message boards  ;) ),at least you're the first poster that I've known to be a woman.I think there are very few female Leone fans or even female western fans.In fact,I believe westerns to be one of the most male-dominated things in existence.
I've been posting on this board (in its various incarnations) since 1998. And, I'm female ... ;)

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Status of GBU rumor?
« on: February 26, 2003, 04:59:08 PM »
I recall once hearing a rumor that a rerelease of GBU was in the works, with the extra 14 minutes of footage that's on the DVD but was never in an English-language release. Since there's no English soundtrack, this was to be newly dubbed by Eastwood and Wallach, with another actor imitating Van Cleef. Does anyone recall the origin of this rumor, and has anyone heard anything about it lately?  ???

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:"every gun has its own tune"
« on: February 26, 2003, 04:55:33 PM »
Since the entire film was post-dubbed (in every language it was released in), there are quite a few moments like this. Maybe Eastwood was saying "I hate cats!" ;)

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Cusser
« on: February 17, 2003, 08:15:37 PM »
Chas, I remember on the old Leone board that someone actually researched this at the New York City library, to make sure it was the same Tommie Conner (it might be spelled Connor).  
That was me ... and it's The New York Public Library (official name; it's a privately funded organization, open to the public. And I'm only finicky because I work there. ;) )

Here's what I posted then (July 31, 2000):

OK ... here is the lowdown on Tommie Connor, from "You Must Remember This ... " : Popular Songwriters 1900-1980, by Mark White (New York: Scribner, c1985, p. 65-67): His full name is Thomas P. Connor, and he was born in Bloomsbury, London, on Nov. 16, 1904. His first published song (as lyricist) was in 1932. In the two decades following his breakthrough year, 1935, he had at least 10 chart-topping songs, including the English version of "Lili Marleen" (1944) and "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus (1952; Connor also wrote the music). Also:

"A writer of Tommie Connor's talent was much in demand in the theatre, in movies, and as a writer of special material for the famous. Between 1933 and 1977 he contributed lyrics for songs to more than 50 film musicals, his last commission being for The Good, the Bad and the Ugly."

Tommie Connor died in 1993 (his obituary is in the London Times, Dec. 27, 1993).

That should settle that ...


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