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1  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: I know why it's all just a dream on: June 16, 2005, 07:58:06 PM
Hey people, is not only us, Leone Himself, the creator this wonderful epic, opened the possibility of this story being a dream.

Just watch the documentary "Once Upon a time Sergio Leone". There's the comment from the guy that said that Leone told a guy after he asked leone why is it that Deniro Smiles at the end, and Leone said, "well it could mean maybe that this movie was a dream".
2  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: I know why it's all just a dream on: June 07, 2005, 10:33:26 PM
Believe me, I thought the same thing after reading the book, good point DOminick, there are a great number of people that don't believe in the dream thesis.

Although I wouldn't say that the movie isn't good if it was based on a dream.

Is probably the best film in history.
3  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Best morricone score? on: April 02, 2005, 07:57:51 PM
Although I love all of the music in OUTIA,

I sometimes hear an echo in my head.. its Jill's song from OUTIW.

Jill's song must be the best single piece of music that have ever been played in a  Film.

Got to say that Leone was right when he said 40% of the movie is music, the music made Leone's film masterpieces.
4  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Did anyone else really grasp the plot easier... on: April 02, 2005, 07:55:40 PM
Sorry posted in wrong topic.
5  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Child actors poll on: March 06, 2005, 09:08:33 AM
Jennifer Connelly, by far not only the best child character performance, but far better than the person that played her adult part played by Elizabeth McGovern.

Adult Deborah doesnt convince me. Out of all the characters in the movie, I even think that the guy that played the bus ticket seller had a better performance than her.  Roll Eyes
6  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Did any one notice something... on: February 13, 2005, 09:20:48 PM
Did anyone noticed in the movie when they are showing the part were the dead bodies of Max, Patsy and Cockeye were laid out.

In the beginning of the scene you could see that they brought up the dead body that was later claimed to be of Max's?

It seemed a bit confusing, and a little hard to notice, but it seems that they indeed brought up that dead corpse to the scene.

And something else to remember that Max worked with funeral parlors, changing bodies for him was something easy.

I just want to bring it up to see if some could notice what I have seen.
7  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: After Reading the book "The Hoods" on: February 07, 2005, 12:02:07 PM
Yes, a lot.

Noodles at a very young age used to work with an Ice truck from there he  succeeded in union strikes, even killing his fellow co-workers that didnt want to join the strikes.

Later on, as adults, the gang was working for the "conbination" and received many orders on union strikes, and working with the syndicalist together.

Although they did other "private" jobs, they also received orders from the "office" and from Frank the high boss of the "conbination".

They even burned down a casino down in Jersey, owned by a politician by orders of the office.
8  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: After Reading the book "The Hoods" on: February 06, 2005, 12:12:55 PM
This was the book that Sergio Leone got in love with. It lasted many years till he could get the credits for the book in order to make the movie.

I see know that he gave a little twist to the movie, after Noodles goes away the book doesnt say anything else. But Leone made the story more mysterious, giving us the doubt of Max being alive and being this great politician.

Leone met Harry Grey and they spoke about the story, I hope Grey told him things he couldnt publish in the book. And thats why we saw them in the movie.
9  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / After Reading the book "The Hoods" on: February 06, 2005, 08:48:29 AM
Loving this movie, made me want to get more into the story of Noodles and his gang. Knowing that there was a Auto biographical book by Harry Grey I decided to buy it, cost me almost 40 dollars including shipping (very expensive). This book in which I read the narration of Noodles and his days as a young kid growing up in the East Side of New York City, is as powerful as the movie itself.

The movie is very sad, the book is also very sad, I wish to explain what happens in the book, since the story are  a bit different, but they have a lot in common. I know believe that the movie is Dream (that hypothesis I confirmed it with the book).

*The book begins with the entire gang, Patsy, Cockeye, Noodles, max and Dominick. I have the sensation that Harry Grey had different names and not the real ones in the book, the book is dedicated to "To my true mob M.,B.,H. and S." I think those are the names of the his real mob. In the story he omits names of politicians I think he did the same with his pals.

* There is more in-depth look into the relationship with all of the guys in the gang, not focusing in max specially. The families are also more into the movie, Noodles father an aging and starving jew who later dies. Noodles had to drop out of school because he had to take care of his family.

* Noodles got that name because his friends always saw him as a very intelligent person, they always said "Noodles use your noodle".

*The kids crime life and how they encountered with the corrupt  cop that made love to Peggy (was like in the film)

*Dominick gets killed by a cop and not by a "bugsy".

* Noodles gets 18 months in a Jew correction institute. and not 15 years in a prison.

*The gang did many heists during an early age, robbing candy stores and etc, rolling drunks and many other things.

* After being released noodles finds max a more sophisticated person "richer" and more into crime, with his funeral parlors as a cover.

*Later or on the story, the gang is into "speaks" and many other rackets that gave them notoriety, also doing jobs of cleaning up people that got killed.

*They were later into the "combination" thatís their boss that gave them the jobs.

* Noodles had a terrible opium habit.

* Noodles never had any type of relationship with Deborah in the book her name is "Dolores", he wrote to her when he was in the correctional institution, but never responded, noodles later tried to go out with her, he did, he was madly in love with her and like the rape scene on the book the same thing happened, she got reaped she was leaving for Hollywood with his boyfriend. She didnít appear no more in the book, only noodles remembered her.

* The book goes into a lot of details of the heists and jobs they did.

*Noodles later meets Eve, and becomes his girlfriend he said in the book that he "loved" her. He later decided for her to leave town and stay in her parents house in North Carolina.

* the gang meets again the masochist woman and  Max has an "informal" relationship with her, making max a different person a more irritated, arrogant and self centered person, having problems with noodles, something that they hardly had.

* Noodles starts getting issues with max, Max had the insane idea of robbing the Federal Reserve (Noodles him self went in and said it was a suicide heisting the place). Since very small kids, Max always had that crazy idea.

* Noodles wanted to stop the heist, max didnít let him, he believed that getting there was a big mistake, Max received an order from the main office to escort a shipment of booze the day after the heist of the Federal Reserve, he later understood that is better to "blow the whistle" and get jailed for 12 or 16 months for that crime. He called the cops and he had to say his name in order for them to stop the operation (thatís were the story takes a major change).

* Noodles was planning on being in the escort group, but something very terrible happened to noodles, his mother died, Max later told him to skip the job.

* After feeling terrible with the loss of his mother, Noodles went to the chinks (opium den) and slept, when he woke up he found the Chinese guy crying and gave him the newspaper, His pals were killed in a Prohibition bust.  Noodles was more hurt, facing him self with his own fault of killing his friends.

* The day before Max said  that all of the members of the gang to take their money out of the banks because the IRS was into the Mafia looking for undeclared values, All of the guys put the money in a safe and Max sent the money to some storage, noodles never knew to which storage, since they all got killed. Noodles was looking for the Million bucks, but couldnít find it.

* Later on, a group of hit men from the combination were looking for Noodles, with a contract on his head, they found out it was noodles who ratted them out since the cop who got the call maybe was in the "combination's" payroll. They got Noodles but later agreed in negotiate to give half of the million to them (there were really close to killing noodles), Noodles caught a break and got to escape, he later writes in the last paragraph of the book:

"Well, you se I am here, after all the years, to tell the story. But how I got away, where I holed up-thatís another story and you will understand why I can't tell that now."

The Book is great, I think if you are such a lover of the film you should read the book, you will feel more complete and will understand better the plot of the film.

At the end noodles seems more of a very weak person, like the movie.

I highly recommend it.

10  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: The Godfather vs. OUATIA on: January 28, 2005, 05:03:27 PM
Im not saying it, it is a fact.

This film didnt get a sole nomination, it was omitted from the academy awards. Probably because the shortened version wasn't that good but everywhere in the world this film was seen as a masterpiece.

Leone had an standing ovation after seeing the movie in one of the film festivals over in europe I can't recall which one was.

But If you think this is bashing the jewish people, it is not, as you may know the Jewish community in the United States is a very successful comunity. They are very well economically, they have tremendous connections all around.

This film shows that there are some rotten apples in between them, probably they were insulted as the Italian American community was when the Godfather came out.

This movie is the best gangster movie ever existed, and probably one of the best in Film history. It just didn't get the popularity and the attention that should have had.
11  Films of Sergio Leone / Once Upon A Time In America / Re: The Godfather vs. OUATIA on: January 27, 2005, 10:21:16 AM
Both films are not even comparable. Once Upon a time in america although a bit unknown, it is by far a superior movie.

The Godfather was backed by a popular book, by Mario Puzo, OUTIA also based on a book, didn't actually had the publicity that the Godfather films had.

Remember also, that OUATIA is a film about Jewish gangsters, and as we know the Jewish religion in this country is very powerful.
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