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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Visconti and Pasolini
« on: July 08, 2005, 02:18:01 PM »
This is, at least in my opinion (but even some other people's too) Visconti's (not exactly my favorite director) best film:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043332/

followed by:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040866/

Two movies quite different from his following production.

Pasolini absolute masterpiece (my opinion, of course) is his episode in:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056171/

Together with:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054599/

I also like the two shorts with totò, expecially:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062779/

Magnificient of course are also Mamma Roma, Il vangelo and Decameron. I have seen recentlly seen for the third time (well, actually I went through it with ff button pressed on) Salò and, as in the previous two, perhaps even worse, didn't like it at all.






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Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Noodles' motive for raping Deborah
« on: July 08, 2005, 10:04:07 AM »
I can't help feeling that Noodles is much more Deborah's victim than the other way round. Deborah wants him to change his lifestyle but basically never thought for a minute about changing her own for his sake.  She views him more as a toy than as a life companion. The fact that she becomes Max's lover in spite of her knowing what kind of bastard he is tells the whole story about her personality.     
In the rape scene,  she starts kissing Noodles as a lover while bidding him goodbye at the same time: poor blob Noodles thinks that she is asking him, an a confuse way, to help her change her mind by possessing her: I have the definite impression that  the "rape" starts as an amorous play. and then, when she definitely makes up her mind about going her own way, Noodles is gone too far ahead to go back.

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And what do you think, folks, of the live rendition of GBU's theme?

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Rated R?
« on: July 06, 2005, 09:24:12 AM »
I was wrong on GBU being the only Leone earning a R (though restricted only to 14 years old minors) rating. Actually,  FOD was rated  with a full R (admittance restricted for those of less than 18 of age) which was canceled when Leone accepted a handful of cuts to his first version. which makes me ponder whether we in Italy ever saw this version apart from those lucky people in Florence when the film was first released.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: anybody read it?
« on: July 04, 2005, 09:49:27 AM »
Thanx! What I would like to know is whether the author writes in musical terms, analyzing and reproducing parts of the scores or adopts less precise common terms for the layman's comprehension.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Tuco and the extasy
« on: June 30, 2005, 02:40:23 AM »
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The hands are there for protection if he was to stumble over the graves, running eagerly along.

 First he has to take care of keeping himself balanced, so the arms should stay at his sides; only should he lose his balance he would be justified in keeping them in front. 

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The hands look a little stupid but so does Tuco in other parts of the film and it is not a problem. That's the way he is - the rat.

I repeat, he doesn't look stupid as much as he looks clumsy or queer, which is something we couldn't presume before in his entire performance. The Tuco we see in this scene is out of tune with the Tuco we knew before, that's the problem with it.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Tuco and the extasy
« on: June 30, 2005, 12:41:02 AM »
I think that Wallach's performance in this scene is not particularly impressive as in other parts of the movie. What makes the scene memorable is the whole conception of it, the location, the editing and, of course, the music.
Of course, in this site we're playing at remarking particulars: that Wallach's stance is wrong or not has little influence on the final effect (thank god) of this memorable scene. Still, as much as I like it, this circumstance (and another I won't dwell upon as I have still to understand why it does have a bad effect on me) put this scene this side of perfect.
Most of the contributors to this topic seem to agree that Wallach's clumsy behaviour is dictated by his abnormal state of mind. But then why, instead of assuming a penguin's stance, didn't he put a finger in his mouth or in his ear or jumped around indian-fashioln giving a war whoop?  No, I think that, if the reason for that clumsiness was to express extasy, he didn't find an appropriate visual solution. And the fault lies both with him as with the director who didn't notice it or couldn't judge properly the visual effect of the scene.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Tuco and the extasy
« on: June 29, 2005, 02:21:00 PM »
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the arms really are just as  much a sign of clumsiness

possible. can't remember other Wallach's phisical performances to make a comparison.

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as they are of acting

then it's bad acting.

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Other Films / Re: Definitive list of Spaghettis?
« on: June 23, 2005, 07:06:11 AM »
The first SW is FOD. before, starting from the silent era, you had a few of italian westerns, but not SW.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Rated R?
« on: June 22, 2005, 07:40:24 AM »
In Italy only GBU had an admittance restricted to the older than 14 (the reason why I couldn't watch it at the time). I presume it was basically (if anybody does exist who knows how the censors' mind tick) for the final "son of a bitch". About which, of course, you couldn't do nothing.

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Other Films / Re: Definitive list of Spaghettis?
« on: June 22, 2005, 04:06:20 AM »
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Didn't Spaghetti Westerns originate about then?

"about" is not enough on  Leone's board.

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Other Films / Re: Definitive list of Spaghettis?
« on: June 21, 2005, 11:05:23 AM »
Why starting in 1960?

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Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Best morricone score?
« on: June 20, 2005, 02:18:08 PM »
i don't know what i did to earn the congratulations, anyway i bought me OUATIA and saw the first dvd yesterday. I presume deborah's theme is that slow waltz heard the first time played on a honky-tonk piano. It's a good piece, but is the kind other composers (for example, michel legrand) could compose too.  on the contrary, no other composer that i know could have ever composed GBU main theme, . or extasy of goldor the music for other Leone's westerns (and other SW). Much of the morricone's appeal, at least for me, lies in his absolute mastery of orchestration, i.e. his use of the right instruments for his themes. but of course he must have the right tune to do that. i think that the traditional arrangements he made for what he composed from the mid '70's onward (though i cannot be 100% sure about it, as i didn't follow closely his career after that period)  are a sign that his best vein had run his course.   

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Your worst film ever?
« on: June 17, 2005, 04:08:23 PM »
Of course nobody here ever heard of this, but it is my worst movie (watched on tv):

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063139/

And the only time I was about to get out of the theatre at half time was with Woody Allen's Annie Hall.

I solved the problem of sitting through a film by not going to the cinema anymore.

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