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Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Fabio Testi!?
« on: July 28, 2005, 05:54:54 AM »
Can anybody point to me a good software to make scans?

Other Films / Re: The Magnificent Seven (1960)
« on: July 28, 2005, 05:51:50 AM »
The only two scenes I remember of M7 is the double duel of Coburn (and that stroke me also when I was a small kid) and, in the negative, Bronson dialogue with the kid (am i remembering well?) about the father's cowardice. This second kind of "preaching" scene is, I think, an exemplification of why SW (which do, generally, without them) may have an edge on american westerns. Indisputable masterpieces like Shane are marred by them and, actually, I can't understand why the americans didn't get  hip to them like Leone did (which didn't prevent him, BTW, by doing the same mistake -  though, thank god, on a smaller scale - in FOD with the mexican family to which Eastwood gives his help).

Other Films / Re: Best non-leone spaghetti western
« on: July 28, 2005, 05:40:16 AM »
As I have said, is the second of the Trinità movies. I'm am just starting re-watching all the SW I can lay my hands on, so that  appraisal may change in the future.
BTW, it seems like about 700 SW were produced in Italy or co-produced with Spain in the '60's and 70's. And only about a half have been released, in Italy, on vhs. Many were televised in the '80's by local channels and some private recording survive. but it seems like we're a long way off a full appraisal of the phaenomenon. Or, at least, as far as I'm concerned.
(My asides and comments were just a fatuous rebuttals to your prickings. But no harm meant, believe me.) 

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Fabio Testi!?
« on: July 28, 2005, 05:32:22 AM »
At the beginning of the auction scene he's in the background, wearing a black hat, behind a bearded blonde, while the hand of the first bidder offers 2 in the foreground. he has got a full close-up before Harmonica descends the staircase.

Why no italian soundtrack? A copyright matter?

Also, how long is this version of FOD?

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Fabio Testi!?
« on: July 28, 2005, 04:19:20 AM »
apparently? You can spot him easily!

Other Films / Re: Best non-leone spaghetti western
« on: July 28, 2005, 04:14:04 AM »
Hey banjo, why your ding ding could be meant amicably and  my dong not? Did you hear a different ring to it?
We  differ in views about GS and ever will. That's the beauty of it all. And I prefer to discuss with somebody who doesn't share my views because that helps me understand better my reason for liking something or not.  So this is not a boxing match (like you dubbed it) but just a fruitful (at least for me) sharing of different opinions. And I thank all of my interlocutors for it.

Other Films / Re: Spaghetti Westerns vs. American Westerns
« on: July 28, 2005, 02:41:41 AM »
titoli the only problem we have here with what you are saying is that there are a few of our Icons that really only "stared" in one "good" Spaghetti Western.

Wallach as Tuco, Musanti as Paco, Coburn as Sean, Robards as Cheyenne, Stieger as Juan, Trintignant as Silence. There are probably more.

Wallach was also in another two. Still, in my opinion, he was not a SW star, even though his performance is the best ever in the genre. As I have already said, a star in a genre is one you readily associate with the genre itself. When I think of Eastwood I think of him firstly as a SW Icon, secondly as an action\mystery Icon and, finally, as a american western Icon. Surely not as an Icon in the other genre movies he was in (SF, for example). He didn't dedicate himself  to that genre so much as to be readily associated with it.
To bring another example that comes to mind, I could never consider Oliver Hardy a western star just because he played second lead to Wayne in an awful movie (and even counting the spoofs shot with Laurel as western movies). 
More generally speaking, think of all the thousand of actors who were the lead in countless movies and one barely (if at all) knows their face or name. They are not "movie stars", though they starred in the movie.
I think that it is a problem of language: to be a movie star is not the same as being the star of a movie. Here, as english is not my mother tongue, you could give me some point: but I don't think I'm wrong.

Other Films / Re: The Magnificent Seven (1960)
« on: July 28, 2005, 02:18:14 AM »
I must re-watch the both of them. seven has just been rereleased in a cheap dvd newsagency edition, at 5 euros. Watched it when it was first released and I thought it was magnificent (but I was not even 5 years old). Watch it again on tv 20 years later and wasn't so enthusiastic, if I remember well, mainly for a problem of rhythm. I mean, all of this apology  of the farmers slows down the pace, even though it amplifies the effect of the action when it starts. But I should re-watch it, of course, and will.
About the Professionals, it was hailed here in Italy by some as a masterpiece. I saw it on tv a pair of decades ago and was disappointed: the same rhetorical twists of the classic western but brought up to date, exactly as it would happen with The Wild Bunch.  plan to watch it again too, though I know that my first impressions of a movie are rarelly different from later ones.   

Other Films / Re: Spaghetti Westerns vs. American Westerns
« on: July 27, 2005, 11:56:58 AM »
Yes yes yes.

Other Films / Re: Spaghetti Westerns vs. American Westerns
« on: July 27, 2005, 08:58:13 AM »
Sure they starred, but that didn't make them Star.

Other Films / Re: Best non-leone spaghetti western
« on: July 27, 2005, 08:55:36 AM »
 Hi Titoli,here we go ROUND 2(ding ding!).


It didn't figure that Henry Fonda plays the villain in a SW but he more than pulled it off.

It figured because, as Leone was wont to say, he had played a half-villain already in Fort Apache. It wasn't an absolute first, like it would have been for John Wayne.

James Garner given a beating by Kinski-pull the other one.Same applies to Steve McQueen who would never have taken the role unless they changed the storyline.At this time he was known to be meticulous in picking roles that  had to fit his cool image where he had to be in total control all the time.No i'm happy with Trintignant.

You concentrate on the sensitive, suffering, all the weak spots of the character while not taking into consideration the primary fact: this man is "firstly" a gunslinger, a killer, the worst one around confronting other bad men face to face. And Trintignant doesn't look like he can pull it off against that ilk,, at least  in a western. He may have the looks of a modern  killer, one who in case may shoot at the back or by devious means, not confronting another sonofabitch eye to eye.   
Harmonica is a man with a tortured character  too, but I don't believe for a minute Leone  ever considered Trintignant for the part.  Because you can't have your pie and eat it too.
Sure McQueen was unavailable but still perfect for the part.

Sorry,titoli,but i'm going the make the same argument  but from completely the other way round!!!


It is crystal clear that Kinski would definately have drawn on Van Cleef if he hadn't have been restrained in the saloon and when they finally meet again Kinski wants to kill Van Cleef without   even asking any questions of who LVC was or his motives. This is also another great but VERY EXCESSIVE performance from Kinski which  quite deservably  won him alot of roles.How much more excessive can one get with all the trembling,snarling and twitching  displayed by someone known to his accomplices as the WILD ONE.

It is not excessive because it rhymes with the character, it is perfectly in line with the provocation of LVC (amplified by his hunchback condition) to which he couldn't immediately respond. his acting is absolutely faultless: it couldn't have been played better but this also thanks to the perfect (perfect...) drawing of the character and the scenes by the screenplayers and the director: Kinski has only two short scenes and is memorable.

In TGS Loco rarely loses his temper,even when Slience goads him by flicking a match,then a cigar butt into his drink.He knows that if he draws on Silence first ,he will lose his thumbs.He even calmly takes off his gunbelt so he can lay into the wimpier Silence with his fists.This restraint is further demonstrated when he  calmly accepts his being thrown into jail by the sheriff as well as having his bounties withheld.When the sheriff turns his back while Loco takes a feigned dump in the snow,he uncovers a hidden weapon to send the sheriff to his death.I do really enjoy Wolffs performance by the way.

When I'm referring to his acting as excessive, I'm referring to his use of mannerisms like (I name the first two elements that come to mind, I have watched the movie some 2 months ago) affecting an effeminate stance (an easy way to cheaply give the impression of being  a degenerate), and his way of talking (here, true, the main fault may lie both with the italian dubber and with the lines of dialogue. We may be talking about a different film, as I'm not acquainted with the english version of it. Foreign dubbers are not (thank god) as good as the italians who (as,  alas, is generally known) are the best in the world. 

I not really bothered by Paulines colour who was also very good.

I don't mind her colour too, but not in that movie.

I know like many others on this site that i may too often so everything Leone does through "rose-tinted glasses" but those scenes you mention i do actually enjoy.

Lucky you. 

General Discussion / Re: Conflicting things about Sergio
« on: July 27, 2005, 08:06:04 AM »
guys like Clint and Mickie Knox hated him

You could also add Vincenzoni or Donati to the list. But maybe hate is not the right word. I think that if Eastwood  really hated him, then he's an imbecile. He doesn't strike me like being that. And I don't have read that he "hated" him. I think they were two strong personalities, who may have had different opinions on how to do things. But I ask you: if you were Leone, would you be taking advices from the actor you made  a star out of the blue  on how a film should be made?
With Mickey Knox, well I wouldn't know. But if somebody cares to know who Knox is and goes to interview him it is all because of Leone. He tells stories about his being thrifty: granted, but it is the proof that the artist is often superior to the meanness of the man.
It is more interesting the case of the 2 Leone screenplayers. But as was said in another topic, probably one of the reasons for their strives was the fact that Leone was Roman and they were not. Carlo Verdone, who is a cultured person and whose first movies were produced by Leone, interviewed for a Leone documentary tells how, in his first meeting with the producer  to whom he had sent his screenplay, he was flabbergasted as he told him to sit down and, when asked what he thought of the screenplay, he just took it and threw it in the wastebasket. But then he also tells as the night before starting shooting Leone came and took him for a ride through the city to make him relaxed. He also speaks of Leone as of a cultured person (and nobody can deny that Verdone is a cultured person). So I think that, maybe, some of the strives he had with those two precious collaborators were because of their not being roman as him. Sure, I have the impression that some of his roman collaborators like Mancini, Morricone (of course) and Verdone speak of him always on the verge of tears. He may have had his lows, like all the rest of us, but if that was the price to pay to make the movies he made, who cares?

General Discussion / Re: The Italian Directors
« on: July 27, 2005, 01:49:39 AM »
Well for me I have a soft spot for Lina Wertmuller

Then how come this:

 is not in your list?

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