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 : April 16, 2018, 02:52:50 PM 
mike siegel - uncknown
You're correct about that scene coming at the reel change but it still doesn't explain why one format (98 LD) includes that footage but the other format (98 DVD) does not.

Here's a link to Jordan's site that compares the various versions of the hotel scene:

https://vimeo.com/221519241

Thanks!
Nice work J!

btw if you want to improve the picture of the Kino extended cut:
decrease color saturation
increase yellow tint (faces are burnt red)
increase brightness (indoor scenes are too dark)

I made a screen capture of my settings, although that might not be applicable to your monitor.

The 1998 MGM dvd and 2017 Kino US cut have good transfers. Remember no two prints are ever going to look exactly alike and everyone sees things through their own unique eyes!!!
bruce

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 : April 16, 2018, 01:20:42 PM 
noodles_leone - Kurug3n
I really didn't know where to post the following clip since there is no thread about Friedkin, Refn, Sorcerer or Only God Forgives. So here it is:

Friedkin's reaction to Refn's claim that Only God Forgives is a masterpiece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=1jPWGEoyJHY
Source: long interview of Friedkin by Refn for the bonus of Sorcerer's 2017 BD


Can always count on Friedkin to entertain. His memoir is a pretty great read if you haven't had a chance.

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 : April 16, 2018, 10:57:32 AM 
mike siegel - Lil Brutto
I should mention that any conclusions based on the research etc is a product of lots of back and forth discussions between Lil Brutto and I.

The great part is that the research continues! There's still much to learn about this film. In particular we have many unanswered questions about the Italian cut. Jordan and I are still trying to put together the pieces of a very complex puzzle that are the 2 documented versions of the Italian cut:

1) What version was shown during its initial 1966 theatrical release? Our 1966 Italian print indicates that it's not the version that's been available on home release (e.g. CVC DVD, Mondo BD, etc etc) in that country since the Italians restored the film around 2000.

2) There's also the enigmatic 1969 re-release version that we call the "censorship cut" because the film was apparently edited for violence to reduce the age restriction from 18 to 14. The sole source of info is that documented by the Italian censor board but it is inconsistent and confusing.

I can't speak for Jordan but I have an unsubstantiated theory that the 1969 censor cut is the same as the US theatrical/International cut based on clues from various sources. I won't elaborate because it's speculation at this point but our tireless/stubborn effort to shed more light on the history of this film will hopefully lead to a breakthrough.

As for the colours, Jordan already said that he wasn't focused on perfecting the color timing of the 35mm prints in his fantastic comparison videos. That remains to be done. However, it's pretty damn close to where it needs to be and is certainly gives you a good of how the film looked in theatres in the late 60s. Yes, there's some green and yellow in the image, as well as leathery (but not jaundiced) complexions and lots of blown out skies. NO green skies and NO green teeth!!

Cineteca di Bologna commissioned L'Immagine Ritrovata to restore the film around 2013-14 (Press release link: http://www.cinetecadibologna.it/areastampa/c_1175). This is the restoration seen on the 2014 MGM BD with the excess yellow/green cast. Yet last summer I came across a website that took high quality pics of an IB TECH print in Cineteca di Bologna's possession, which I presume served as a color reference for that restoration: http://zauberklang.ch/filmcolors/galleries/il-buono-il-brutto-il-cattivo-1966/

It sure doesn't look like the final product, does it? Yet it's quite consistent with our prints despite not being color corrected:



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 : April 16, 2018, 09:33:57 AM 
PowerRR - dave jenkins
MoMA has a retro going this month called Kazuo Miyagawa: Japan's Greatest Cinematographer. The great thing about this approach is that it allows for showings of films not directed by the big names, pictures no one has ever heard of, let alone seen. I went to one this weekend with my new Japanese bride who kept telling me, "Those subtitles suck." (Yeah, baby, just watch the pretty pictures, wouldja?)

Nishijin no shimai / Sisters of Nishijin (1952) A woman's picture, but also a film about changing social conditions in Japan. A family tries to save a textile company even as the industry about them is dying. They don't make it. Directed by Kozaburo Yoshimura. Screenplay by Kaneto Shindo. With Kinuyo Tanaka, Yumiko Miyagino, Mitsuko Miura, Yuko Tsumura.

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 : April 16, 2018, 09:12:09 AM 
mike siegel - uncknown
Ok... VIVA Lil !

yes, yes... I know the story. I stopped thinking too much about those things. I too try to help releases here and there,
but they all want to run their own show (messing things up)... What else can you do... (besides maybe starting a BD label).

I know your terrific comparison-videos don't cover the color-issues, yet the IB print
so much reminds me of the GBU 35mm theatrical screenings... Nice :).

I never knew the Paramount BD is missing shots from the opening scene
included in the German 35mm version! (which I saw at least 10 times over the years in cinema's !).
I only thought from time to time "wasn't there more screen time regarding Woody Strode & the drops of water ?".
At least that thought was right :).

Do any US versions have the correct music for the end of the movie i.e no CHEYENNE theme?

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 : April 16, 2018, 08:54:19 AM 
mike siegel - noodles_leone
Kino did a terrible job trying to correct it, they needed to do it scene by scene but instead just used an overall fix on the entire thing.

I don't know how much they actually care, but in the end it's really a matter of budget. Colorists are really expensive... although with the IB print as a reference they could have an Intern on Premiere Pro do 90% of the film correctly in under a week.

 77 
 : April 16, 2018, 08:41:20 AM 
mike siegel - mike siegel
Ok... VIVA Lil !

yes, yes... I know the story. I stopped thinking too much about those things. I too try to help releases here and there,
but they all want to run their own show (messing things up)... What else can you do... (besides maybe starting a BD label).

I know your terrific comparison-videos don't cover the color-issues, yet the IB print
so much reminds me of the GBU 35mm theatrical screenings... Nice :).

I never knew the Paramount BD is missing shots from the opening scene
included in the German 35mm version! (which I saw at least 10 times over the years in cinema's !).
I only thought from time to time "wasn't there more screen time regarding Woody Strode & the drops of water ?".
At least that thought was right :).

 78 
 : April 16, 2018, 08:27:50 AM 
mike siegel - Jordan Krug
Long live your IB Tech print. The only real reference left it seems...

Ah, I wish it were mine, but Lil Brutto here is the one with all the prints. We were willing to share the prints with Kino but they ignored our offer, then proceeded to belittle us when it was pointed out they had copied a dvd of the film instead of a print to recreate the 1967 cut. I should mention that any conclusions based on the research etc is a product of lots of back and forth discussions between Lil Brutto and I. I just happened to already have a blog. Also, most of the videos I posted for comparison purposes were not really meant to specifically judge colour, only the cuts themselves. But yes, the prints have a nice golden look with white teeth and blue skies. They LEAN towards green but nowhere near what the MGM 4K looks like. Kino did a terrible job trying to correct it, they needed to do it scene by scene but instead just used an overall fix on the entire thing.

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 : April 16, 2018, 07:09:05 AM 
cigar joe - XhcnoirX
It's one of those films that slipped through the cracks, if you're into noir you'll appreciate it more for what they were trying to do, what with the cinematography and the nod to Angels Flight. It's flawed though.

Another Bridges Noir worth looking at is Cutter's Way

Thanks, I've also added that one to the watchlist now  O0

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 : April 16, 2018, 06:40:59 AM 
cigar joe - cigar joe
Thanks for the review/screencaps. I've not yet seen this one, but it looks interesting enough  O0

It's one of those films that slipped through the cracks, if you're into noir you'll appreciate it more for what they were trying to do, what with the cinematography and the nod to Angels Flight. It's flawed though.

Another Bridges Noir worth looking at is Cutter's Way About Cutter (John Heard) a drunk double amputee Vietnam War hero and his friend Bone (Bridges) a Hollywood gigolo, it starts off strongly Noir then goes a bit lighter towards the end.

Bone after his 1966 Austin Healy breaks down in an alley during a rainstorm sees someone in a Caddy dump something in a trash can. When he goes to retrieve the car he finds out that the body of a woman was dumped. When he tells Cutter about it Cutter gets it in his head that he will solve the murder, he sort of sees it as a path to redemption.

It's up for a Noirsville review soon also.

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