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« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2007, 10:13:50 PM »

saw it for the second time recently and I wasn't surprised when I found myself enjoying it even more than I did the first time I saw it.

I think with most, if not with all of Leone's filma, at least a third viewing for each is almost essential. (not to mention enjoyable  Smiley)

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« Reply #121 on: June 17, 2007, 10:33:39 PM »

I watched this again tonight & discovered the inspiration for some of Stiegers performance, just like he was mimicking Leone's hand movements incorporating them into his method, he also was doing Lou Costello, the first time in the stage when they ask him how many children he has this reaction is Lou Costello, he does him again at the bridge when he can't get the machinegun to work and then it starts shooting that whole shtick is an exact copy of Lou Costello I think in either their Foreign Legion or army flicks.

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« Reply #122 on: June 17, 2007, 10:54:40 PM »


interesting observation CJ

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« Reply #123 on: June 17, 2007, 10:57:43 PM »

I was surfing to see if I could find an image, nada, but I did find out that it is from "Abott & Costello in the Foreign Legion"

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« Reply #124 on: June 18, 2007, 02:40:42 PM »

I think with most, if not with all of Leone's films, at least a third viewing for each is almost essential.
Perhaps, but for full illumination, I'd expect at least 2 dozen viewings before an adept can be expected to advance.

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« Reply #125 on: June 19, 2007, 10:00:51 AM »

I want to thank CJ for his review filled (as I like them to be) with personal reminiscenses. Still, CJ, I can't be persuaded that Rod Steiger delivers as Wallach would have (for reasons I have explained elsewhere). I have no prejudices against Steiger (I like him in Le mani sulla cittą or in In the Heat of the Night) but Juan belongs to Wallach.

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« Reply #126 on: June 19, 2007, 11:53:46 AM »

Well now that I figured out that Steiger was doing a Lou Costello impersonation, I think that Wallach might have been more original in his interpretation.

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« Reply #127 on: June 19, 2007, 07:02:14 PM »

I like him in Le mani sulla cittą . . .
Saw this recently. Half the performance is the dubbing actor's, no?

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« Reply #128 on: June 19, 2007, 08:04:40 PM »

my thoughts are i need to watch this movie Cry

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« Reply #129 on: June 20, 2007, 01:53:14 PM »

my thoughts are i need to watch this movie Cry

I'm surprised you didn't get it yet.

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« Reply #130 on: June 20, 2007, 08:46:36 PM »

I just refreshed my memory of this film with the great R1 DVD that came out.

My thoughts on the film would be...while being a great buddy film, it's more of a war film than a western, which in my opinion would place the Dollars trilogy and OUATITW above it.
But, it's definately a Leone film which would rate above most other filmakers films.

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« Reply #131 on: June 20, 2007, 09:06:01 PM »

Its definitely not a Western per se, but it fts the (anti-)Zapata Western sub Genre, and fits also into an anti-War, anti-Pollitical film description.

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« Reply #132 on: June 21, 2007, 01:43:33 AM »

It was never meant to be as a western.
OUATITW was Leone's swan song to the western and the beginning of a new trilogy, North America:

OUATITW marks the end of the west as the last scene clearly shows: the pioneers, the gun fighters
and outlaws are leaving the scene, the railroad brings the east to the west which in Jill finally found
a 'mama'. Always important for a civilized world Smiley.
GIU LA TESTA shows the results of industrialization and landgrabbing: poverty among the lower classes,
fat rich men who gained control under the capitalism. Revolution is the answer.
OUATIA finally is dedicated to the last period of American outlaws, the depression with its hoods, Prohibition
and the beginning of massive corruption in police force and politics - by then the criminal weight finally shifted
from the obvious outlaw bad guy to politicans (which brings us to nowadays  Undecided).

France is the only country, were all three titles indicate this clearly for the audience:
IL ETAIS UNE FOIS DANS L'OUEST
IL ETAIS UNE FOIS LA REVOLUTION
IL ETAIS UNE FOIS EN AMERIQUE

Most misleading the titles were in my native Germany. ONCE UPON A TIME is the beginning of all
the fairy tales (Brothers Grimm etc.) which was supposed to be not working for western (the distributor thought).
So most of the Italian westerns, and action films in general, had to have strong violent action-oriented titles
like ENEMIES OF DEATH (Five Card Stud), KILL, AMIGO! (Quien Sabe?) or BODIES ARE COVERING HIS WAY (Il grande Silenzio). OUATITW became PLAY ME THE SONG OF DEATH (they even dubbed in that line, when Bronson gives
Fonda the harmonica before the dies). GIU LA TESTA became MELODY OF DEATH (Todesmelodie).

I love all three. Before them the DOLLAR - trilogy was groundbreaking, hip & cool and adorable. For almost 30 years I'm watching them now and never get tired of them.
But the 2nd trilogy in its whole is not as easy to love because sitting back and enjoy is not enough here. Thank god,
it shows how Leone developed over the years. A rich body of work.

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« Reply #133 on: June 21, 2007, 01:58:01 AM »

I remember watching this movie when I was a kid.
I didn't understand what it really was;it looked like a western yet it wasn't one,there were motorcycles,strange guns,there was this guy that looked like Tuco yet it wasn't him,there was the green Ireland in a movie that takes place in the sands,there were Nazis...
It was something really strange that I have never seen before but I somehow liked it,and during the time the love only became stronger.

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« Reply #134 on: June 21, 2007, 05:12:52 PM »

GIU LA TESTA shows the results of industrialization and landgrabbing: poverty among the lower classes,
fat rich men who gained control under the capitalism. Revolution is the answer.
Odd that you would say this, as the film makes it clear that revolution is NOT the answer (hence the On Patriotism scene). Instead, Leone suggests that personal relationships is the answer (choose a friend over a cause, any day).

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