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« #15 : August 14, 2004, 06:01:04 PM »

I love this sequence! does anyone know WHY people from MGM have choosen a version of the film without it? I just can't understand it! That was the most moving scene of the movie (with Coburn smilling... arg! that's too much!).
Because those SONS OF BITCHES know we will buy every version untill we buy THE FINAL VERSION as released by THEM! They have us on a hook! >:( >:( >:(


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« #16 : August 17, 2004, 09:17:55 PM »

I have a two-disc korean dvd set with the english on one disc and the italian on the other... a quick switcheroo and it's all good... the biggest problem i have i love the flashback, but i also love the music as the cloud of smoke goes up in flames, which for some reason isn't in the italian... anyway i had the priviledge of seeing the whole damn thing in english last winter when they released(limited) the restoration in theatres where they had the final flashback and the music and the final words from juan


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« #17 : August 18, 2004, 06:55:13 AM »

I recently bought the Italian language VHS. It doesn't have all the stuff added in the latest English dvd (Villega's toture, Sean in the desert etc) but it DOES have the final flashback. I do like that final flashback, it brings a sense of completeness at the end of the film.


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« #18 : August 20, 2004, 10:16:53 PM »

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Villega's toture, Sean in the desert etc
never remember seeing these scenes, i have a korean dvd


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« #19 : August 26, 2004, 10:38:32 AM »

The two scenes mentioned have never yet been added to the film. They are mentioned in a book about Sergio Leone ,so they do exist, but as far as I know the Italian and Korean DVDs are the longest versions available.

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« #20 : October 11, 2004, 10:30:19 AM »

Thank you very much for the link, guy...It's so marvellous to see a scene I've never seen... :'( :'( :'( Ho my god, I'm crying!!! Lol


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« #21 : October 11, 2004, 10:34:48 AM »

I recently bought the Italian language VHS. It doesn't have all the stuff added in the latest English dvd (Villega's toture, Sean in the desert etc) but it DOES have the final flashback. I do like that final flashback, it brings a sense of completeness at the end of the film.

Do you think that it's the "begining" of OUATIA, in the sense of Leone employed a woman in ...the revolution, such as all the others women were not very important (not Gill in OUATITW...); so in fact, OUATITW, OUATTR and OUATIA are movies with intersting woman...
Leone didn't understand why there were women in old westerns, as Ford!!!


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« #22 : October 11, 2004, 12:36:31 PM »

yeah, garry, ive just watched the final flashback scene too. cheers mate, it was great.  :)


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« #23 : October 12, 2004, 03:58:13 PM »

This borders on BlASPHEMY!  It is akin to cutting the stairway scene with Clark Gable and Vivienne Leigh in Gone With The Wind >:( >:(.  The final flashback scene is one of the most moving scenes ever shot in a movie, especially knowing we just recently lost such a great actor. We miss you sorely Jim :'( :'(.
Ennio Morricone's score is brilliant!!!

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« #24 : October 13, 2004, 03:37:39 PM »

The two scenes mentioned have never yet been added to the film. They are mentioned in a book about Sergio Leone ,so they do exist, but as far as I know the Italian and Korean DVDs are the longest versions available.
Wrong! The French version always included the final flash back. I saw it like that on TV. Nothing was cut or censored. I think they cut it because of censorship.

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« #25 : October 17, 2004, 08:07:47 AM »

In the French version DVD, there is not the final flash back.
In the final flash back, I find they overacte...It must be 'cause we don't have sounds, just the (beautyful) music. What do you think???


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« #26 : October 18, 2004, 08:20:21 AM »

as far as i know the beautiful music is all there is for sound in the flashback... and thats the way it should be... i don't think it's overrated... i think its all beautiful and makes seans death one of the most glorious in movie history.


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« #27 : October 18, 2004, 10:19:40 AM »

i think coburn's facial expression was a bit cheesy, but the mood of the flashback would have fitted in perfectly with the end.

Perhaps i'm just dopey but i didnt realise until about the third time i saw DYS that i realised sean committed suicide by dynamite i thought it was just some random explosion. Leone perhaps coulda made it a bit clearer for people like me, lol  ;D


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« #28 : October 19, 2004, 12:34:31 PM »

Wrong! The French version always included the final flash back. I saw it like that on TV. Nothing was cut or censored. I think they cut it because of censorship.

I was referring to the two other scenes mentioned, those of Sean in the desert and Villega's torture. Those two scenes have never been added to the film.  Of course the final flashback has- I have the Italian DVD with it in!  I mentioned this in an earlier post!

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« #29 : October 21, 2004, 11:57:18 PM »



Perhaps i'm just dopey but i didnt realise until about the third time i saw DYS that i realised sean committed suicide by dynamite i thought it was just some random explosion. Leone perhaps coulda made it a bit clearer for people like me, lol  ;D

You're not alone, it also took me several viewings before I got the fact of Sean's suicide. I too think the fault lies with Leone. He *should* have made the end clearer.



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