Noodles & Deborah's drive home

[drinkanddestroy]

Frayling has said that "The drive to and from the hotel was filmed in northern New Jersey (near Deal)" (p. 451 of STDWD).

However, I just watched that scene now, and I noticed that when the limo driver kicks Noodles out of the car after he rapes Deborah, you can clearly see the sun rising in the sky opposite the ocean (ie. over the houses across the street)... Assuming the sequence was indeed filmed during sunrise (when the scene is supposed to take place), it is impossible for this to be Jersey; since the Atlantic is on the East Coast of the USA, as seen from America the sun will always rise over the Atlantic.

The only way the scene could have indeed been filmed in Jersey is if either:
a) it was filmed during sunset (which would be weird, considering it takes place in the morning); or
b) it was filmed at some body of water other than the Ocean...

I am wondering if anyone knows definitively where this scene was filmed?

UPDATE: on p. 456 of STDWD, Frayling cites Ted Kurdyla, the NY production liason for the film, as saying "the shore of the Atlantic was actually the Adriatic." So that answers my question  

btw, it must have been a helluva great job to ensure continuity for the sequences beginning with Noodles picking up Deborah for the date,  and ending with him seeing her leave on the train:

"we shot the interior of the theatre in Montreal; the exterior of the theatre was actually an old hotel in New York; the drive was through northern New Jersey... and the shore of the Atlantic was actually the Adriatic." (id., citing Kurdyla). The train station was actually the "Gare du Nord in Paris... Its buffet, where Deborah waits for her train, was filmed in the Brassiere Julien on the Rue St Denis... The art deco hotel, where Noodles tries to impress Deborah but doesn't even know which wine to order, was the Excelsior in Venice." (Id. at 451).

[cigar joe]

UPDATE: on p. 456 of STDWD, Frayling cites Ted Kurdyla, the NY production liason for the film, as saying "the shore of the Atlantic was actually the Adriatic." So that answers my question.

But the sun would rise over the Adriatic that same way, no?

There are barrier islands with houses all along the Jersey coast with bays between the mainland and the barrier islands so if you are shooting from the mainland looking east the sun could rise over the houses on the barrier island.

[drinkanddestroy]

But the sun would rise over the Adriatic that same way, no?

There are barrier islands with houses all along the Jersey coast with bays between the mainland and the barrier islands so if you are shooting from the mainland looking east the sun could rise over the houses on the barrier island.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adriatic_Sea_map.png  looks here like the Adriatic has both eastern and western shores, so it must have been filmed on its eastern shore

2. if it was shot from the mainland, and the body of water was the bay, that would still be east of the houses in the scene. (anyway, it's a moot point now that we know it's actually the Adriatic)

[cigar joe]

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adriatic_Sea_map.png  looks here like the Adriatic has both eastern and western shores, so it must have been filmed on its eastern shore

2. if it was shot from the mainland, and the body of water was the bay, that would still be east of the houses in the scene. (anyway, it's a moot point now that we know it's actually the Adriatic)

1. No, I didn't mention that "out of my ass,"  believe me, The Eastern shore of the Adriatic looks like images of  Highway 101 on the California Coast & Big Sur, high mountains right down to the sea, not flat, no sand dunes, no beach.

2. The sun would be rising in the East, the barrier islands have houses on them so the sun would be rising over them in the East

[drinkanddestroy]

1. No, I didn't mention that "out of my ass,"  believe me, The Eastern shore of the Adriatic looks like images of  Highway 101 on the California Coast & Big Sur, high mountains right down to the sea, not flat, no sand dunes, no beach.

2. The sun would be rising in the East, the barrier islands have houses on them so the sun would be rising over them in the East

1. I have no clue how the Adriatic looks 

2. But the ocean looks endless in that scene; if it was really just the bay rather than the ocean, you would see the mainland just off, rather than endless sea on the horizon

[Dust Devil]

2.It must have been a helluva great job to ensure continuity.  Noodles departs from Peggy's whore house (Cinecitta Studios, Italy), collects Deborah from the theater (New York), the interior of the theater (unreleased footage) was in Montreal, drives to a fancy restaurant (The Hotel Excelsior, The Lido, Venice), lays down on the beach there, drives home via New Jersey and sees her leave by train (Gare du Nord, Paris).

And we thought he had a hard time in OUATITW, matching Monument Valley and Almeria.

[drinkanddestroy]

It's easy to misunderstand but when Ted Kurdyla says "the shore of the Atlantic was actually the Adriatic" he is referring to the beach scene at the back of the The Hotel Excelsior, Venice where they lay down on a Persian rug

I suppose it's intended in the movie that Noodles and Deborah spend some of the night on the beach, the drive home takes place as the sun is coming up and Noodles gets out of the limousine in early morning.

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However, as Ted Kurdyla points out, it's intended in the movie that the fancy restaurant is in Long Island so I suppose its feasible that the drive home could have been on the West side.


Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info. If you are correct that Kurdyla was referring to the shore by the hotel; and that the shore where Noodles gets kicked outta the limo was indeed filmed in Jersey, then I guess you're right, it must have been filmed closer to sunset rather than sunrise. (I believe the shores in Long Island are only north and south, not east and west?)

[drinkanddestroy]

The scene where Noodles get out of the limousine was definitely filmed at the junction of Warren Ave and Ocean Avenue in Spring Lake, New Jersey.

Street view on Google at:


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=New+Jersey,+United+States&aq=0&sll=53.534849,-2.246618&sspn=0.030964,0.090895&g=nyc&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=New+Jersey&ll=40.14939,-74.023197&spn=0.004978,0.01545&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.149468,-74.02317&panoid=73Ptpq1-weXdMjGGNPWrOQ&cbp=12,326.01,,0,1.88

That's a nice job by you finding that link; how'd you know where that scene was filmed? (and a helluva first post--- welcome to the boards  )

[drinkanddestroy]

just found this http://msb247.awardspace.com/trip/13.htm

looks like a helluva nice place to live 

[cigar joe]

cool pix thanks

[drinkanddestroy]

Once: once again you are well-informed and well-sourced  ; I hope you post on these boards a lot more than "once" 

[drinkanddestroy]

btw, in response to my original post: so now that we've established - thanks to the info provided by Once - that the scene where Noodles leaves Deborah in the limo after raping her was indeed filmed in Jersey, are we in agreement that the scene must have actually been shot at sunset, rather than at sunrise?