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« Reply #150 on: June 13, 2011, 01:38:09 PM »

Robert Harris has some interesting comments here: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/312163/a-few-words-about-once-upon-a-time-in-the-west-in-blu-ray

If you scroll down you'll see photos of the packaging of the deluxe German version (similar to the deluxe German DVD). Wow, those krauts really love "Play Me the Song of Death."

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« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2011, 02:47:53 PM »

Yep, and they know how to sell it ...

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« Reply #152 on: June 13, 2011, 02:49:30 PM »

Robert Harris has some interesting comments here: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/312163/a-few-words-about-once-upon-a-time-in-the-west-in-blu-ray

If you scroll down you'll see photos of the packaging of the deluxe German version (similar to the deluxe German DVD). Wow, those krauts really love "Play Me the Song of Death."

Thanks for posting. That german set looks cool, but I'm not sure there's enough there in terms of extra content that's truly about the film...even some rare photos without all that "dirty paper" treatment would have been nice.

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« Reply #153 on: June 13, 2011, 02:54:48 PM »

I couldn't get any seeds for this, were you able to download the movie file?

Yes, it's a 750MB file and it took 3 days to download. It was very slow going and then the download rate shot through the roof. If you're not having any luck getting I'm happy to share it with you.

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« Reply #154 on: June 13, 2011, 04:04:58 PM »

Yes, it's a 750MB file and it took 3 days to download. It was very slow going and then the download rate shot through the roof. If you're not having any luck getting I'm happy to share it with you.

Sent you a pm thanks!

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« Reply #155 on: June 14, 2011, 04:56:38 AM »

Amazon have a UK relelase date of Sept 5th for this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Once-Upon-Time-West-Blu-ray/dp/B003BEDT7I/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1308048794&sr=8-7

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« Reply #156 on: June 14, 2011, 09:26:51 AM »

No Zippo lighter? No cheesy harmonica? No green-felt-lined box?

How did they ever win the war?

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« Reply #157 on: July 28, 2011, 12:42:51 PM »

All that's missing now is a Duck You Sucker Blu-ray release.

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« Reply #158 on: May 13, 2012, 10:03:46 PM »

All that's missing now is a Duck You Sucker Blu-ray release.

well the audio on the MGM Special Edition dvd of DYS is, from what I have read, absolutely atrocious. I never realized anything wrong cuz I never saw the origianl version of it, but from what I've read from people who have seen the original, this one is terrible. DVD Beaver says it is "quite probably the most screwed up remaster I've come across." (about 1/3 down the page, under "Audio Quality," at this link http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews23/a_fistful_of_dynamite.htm
I never noticed anything wrong until I read from people who saw the original, or at least other versions that are different. So whenever they do come out with a blu ray of DYS, I sure hope that they do it right, with the proper audio.
(Sometimes I feel that ignorance is bliss; I enjoyed Leone's movies so much more when I had no idea about studio cuts and proper versions and correct audio cues, etc. I just enjoyed the movie for what it was and that's it. I think I have seriously come to regret knowing too much about all this stuff; people like us who really know about this shit can never be happy  Wink

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« Reply #159 on: May 13, 2012, 10:22:56 PM »

I actually found what I believe to be a version of the "original 1968 cut" on youtube - this is a german dubbed version, with Turkish subtitles, but it is definitely not the same cut as either the paramount or the italian longer version - it HAS the 3 new Scorsese shots in the right sequence, it DOES NOT have the rising scene AND the end plays out the music properly and does not freezeframe!

Opening segment with more shots then U.S. but less then italian (which we know to be the formula for the "original" cut) - the new shots in this cut match exactly what the video watchdog article describes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxW0eKr-brE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

end of opening segment - NO rising scene (new Scorsese shots are at :48 seconds)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9kxMs_4m4g&feature=channel_video_title

end title:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu1OXkyt1Kw&feature=relmfu

This person actually has the whole cut posted...


Thanks for this link.

Having just watched OUATITW again with the commentary for the first time in a long time, (I like to space out my viewings of Leone's movies so that no movie ever gets old  Wink ), I am doing a bit more research on the various versions of the movie.

I have a few questions which I hope someone here can answer:

1) Is this the the Italian version of the opening scene that you are referring to, which you say is even longer than this German version with the Turkish subtitles? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-B_IDihfEk  

2) I see there are a few lines of dialogue by the station master; can someone please translate them into English?

3) Which version of the opening scene is shown on The "Scorcese Version" on the American blu-ray -- is it the German one, the Italian one, or some other?

4) And between these various versions, are all the shots that were removed from the opening scene in original theatrical release version restored? or are there any shots from that scene still missing?


5) I recall reading that in addition to the extra shots in the opening scene, the Scorcese Version also has a few extra shots in another scene, but I forgot which one. Does anyone know where the extra shots in the Scorcese Version occur, besides for the opening scene?

6) Finally, In the Scorcese Version, does the end remain 100% identical (ie. the shots, the title, the music) to the Paramount R1 dvd?


Thanks to anyone that can answer at least some of these questions!


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« Reply #160 on: May 14, 2012, 05:51:36 AM »



1) Your link features the long Italian 177 min version.

2) All dialogue scenes are in the Paramount version.

3) Some other, longer than Parmount, shorter than the original theatrical version.

4) Theatrical version is about 70 sec longer than Parmount, but 177 min version adds another 30 sec.

5) Rising scene is now as long as in the 177 min version and there is one extra sec in the second scene. Most likely the Paramount master was faulty at that point.

6) Not sure about the titles, otherwise yes

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« Reply #161 on: May 14, 2012, 06:43:09 AM »


1) Your link features the long Italian 177 min version.

2) All dialogue scenes are in the Paramount version.

3) Some other, longer than Parmount, shorter than the original theatrical version.

4) Theatrical version is about 70 sec longer than Parmount, but 177 min version adds another 30 sec.

5) Rising scene is now as long as in the 177 min version and there is one extra sec in the second scene. Most likely the Paramount master was faulty at that point.

6) Not sure about the titles, otherwise yes

Thanks for this.

when you say "177 minutes," do you mean "165 minutes"? The Paramount R1 dvd is 2 hours 45 minutes  ie. 165 minutes. 177 minutes would be 12 minutes longer than the Paramount R1 dvd

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« Reply #162 on: May 14, 2012, 02:16:19 PM »

Thanks for this.

when you say "177 minutes," do you mean "165 minutes"? The Paramount R1 dvd is 2 hours 45 minutes  ie. 165 minutes. 177 minutes would be 12 minutes longer than the Paramount R1 dvd

Yes, 12 min longer.

Mmmh, why should I mean 165 when I write 177? I don't understand waht you mean. The Paramount runs 165 min, the long version 177 min, the original theatrical version also 165 min (without the exit music)

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« Reply #163 on: May 31, 2012, 03:58:42 PM »

I just got the Br disc, and noticed that when they give you the option to play either version, then options read "RESTORED VERSION" and "THEATRICAL VERSION."

1) Is the version they call the "theatrical version" actually the exact same version as the Paramount R1 dvd?


2)  (based on Jordan Krug's earlier posts), I understand that beginning with the moment where Frank's men walk out of the brush, the two versions are exactly identical, correct? I just wanna watch the extra moments in the Scorcese version, so I just want to make sure I can shut it off once the whole McBain family is killed, correct?

3) Is the picture quality identical between the two versions of the movie on the BR?

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« Reply #164 on: June 01, 2012, 02:37:25 AM »

I just got the Br disc, and noticed that when they give you the option to play either version, then options read "RESTORED VERSION" and "THEATRICAL VERSION."

1) Is the version they call the "theatrical version" actually the exact same version as the Paramount R1 dvd?


2)  (based on Jordan Krug's earlier posts), I understand that beginning with the moment where Frank's men walk out of the brush, the two versions are exactly identical, correct? I just wanna watch the extra moments in the Scorcese version, so I just want to make sure I can shut it off once the whole McBain family is killed, correct?

3) Is the picture quality identical between the two versions of the movie on the BR?

1) Yes

2) Yes

3) Should be different as Scorsese used a different master. Which means the film must be completely twice on the disc. You can check that by ripping the disc.

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