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« #15 : April 17, 2011, 04:59:13 AM »

I meant the beginning barbershop sequence with Fonda.


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« #16 : April 17, 2011, 08:33:48 AM »

But I see it. In every second of it.
Even in an unspectacular scene like Fonda talking to the telegraphist. In his previous 4 westerns Valerii never achieved one scene which achieved half of the beauty of this shots.


To repeat me:
There are only a few ordinary looking shots in the whole film, while Valerii's other films are mainly consisted of average material.
Nobody is an elegant film, while Valerii unfortunately was a clumsy director.


The 3 scenes which Leone mentions are the 3 which most obviously contain the Leone touch, so it was quite generous of him to claim them all for himself. ;)

I really have no idea what you're talking about. I agree that Valerii was something of a hack, but what's this nonsense about Nobody being "elegant"?



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« #17 : April 17, 2011, 09:17:42 AM »

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« #18 : April 17, 2011, 11:41:15 AM »

I really have no idea what you're talking about. I agree that Valerii was something of a hack, but what's this nonsense about Nobody being "elegant"?

Elegantly directed, very elegantly. Very stylish. One of the best directed SWs, one of the best directed westerns. I deeply enjoy nearly every shot in it for it's inner beauty.

I know you see it different, well, I can't help it. That is no nonsense, that is what I feel when I watch it. A pure pleasure (well, most of it).


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« #19 : April 17, 2011, 11:47:13 AM »

I especially like the elegance in the scenes where Hill throws a pie at the guy's face and slaps the baddies around with the wooden statue.



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« #20 : April 18, 2011, 02:20:13 PM »

It's actually really weird watching the fairground scene from the man on stilts up to the saloon sequence and also the urinal scene at the train station, because the content is stupid and vulgar yet the filming is very beautiful. It's an extraordinarily strange combination.


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« #21 : April 19, 2011, 11:22:19 PM »

I meant the beginning barbershop sequence with Fonda.

Ah right, same with me then.

There is a lot of evidence for several other parts while this is conspicuously lacking! It supports what Valerii says about Leone not being in the US for the filming of these sequences early on in the film.

It actually all makes sense - Leone helped film things in Europe and helped out on the later stuff in the US. If he had been there for these early sequence too, then it would suggest that he was there the whole time which I don't think anyone is claiming.

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« #22 : April 20, 2011, 04:47:00 AM »

Too bad there isn't anything by Fonda about Nobody.


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« #23 : March 04, 2014, 06:22:53 AM »

Somebody translated the whole interview:

http://www.lb2121.webspace.virginmedia.com/docs/cahiers.pdf



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« #24 : March 04, 2014, 05:06:35 PM »

Somebody translated the whole interview:

http://www.lb2121.webspace.virginmedia.com/docs/cahiers.pdf
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« #25 : March 05, 2014, 02:17:45 AM »

Seems to be a pretty bad translation.

"j'ai dirigé le début, la bataille et le final," is not exactly "I led the first battle and the final,"

He said the same to Simsolo. So at least Leone does not contradict himself, and in both cases he does not mention the other stuff he most likely also directed.

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« #26 : March 05, 2014, 02:58:07 AM »

Yep, didn't read the whole thing, I own the original article and (good) French is more convenient to me :)

About MNIN: he doesn't contradict himself, but if I remember correctly the book was writen around the same time (may be in 1985?) and this article was published in may 1984. He had no reason to change his version between two interviews recorded over 13 years after the facts. It would be more insightful to find out what he said on the topic in the mid 70's.



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« #27 : March 05, 2014, 03:50:24 AM »

There are many stories circulating, but the 3 scenes Leone mentions are the best of the film, and those which look at most like Leone. For the last 2 there is enough photographic evidence of Leone being on the set in aa active manner.


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« #28 : March 05, 2014, 03:59:51 AM »

They're also among the best written ones so that may help :)

My favorite scene is the cemetery one. The whole film is in that "Il n'a jamais existé, le bon vieux temps" line (no idea how he says it in English... something like "There was never any good old time"?). Myth, past, old/new generation, old/new western movies, child dreams, nihilism... everything is there.



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« #29 : March 05, 2014, 07:28:03 AM »

They're also among the best written ones so that may help :)

My favorite scene is the cemetery one. The whole film is in that "Il n'a jamais existé, le bon vieux temps" line (no idea how he says it in English... something like "There was never any good old time"?).
"There was/were never any good old days." Good old days is an idiomatic expression.



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