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« Reply #90 on: December 01, 2014, 02:30:49 AM »

The Mondo Blu runs 174:07

The MGM Blu runs 178:36

The runtime from the 1966 censorship card is 176:48 min (4840 meters)

The runtime from the 1969 censorship card is 157:26 min (4310 meters)

The runtime of the Grotto scene is 3:15 min (89 meters)

The runtime of the Grotto scene is on the MGM Blu 3:18 min



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« Reply #91 on: December 01, 2014, 06:04:58 AM »

This is great to have all this info in one place. Can you subtract the "hybrid" beating time from the mondo and then add the exact runtime of the extended beating? If you add that to the mondo time it probably equals the 1966 foot count...(no grotto then).

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« Reply #92 on: December 01, 2014, 06:06:52 AM »

Thanks for the info, yes after some further digging you are right, they are not an extra on the german blu. They ARE an extra on the new Japan blu set but it doesn't say if they are in HD...

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« Reply #93 on: December 01, 2014, 07:21:42 AM »

This is great to have all this info in one place. Can you subtract the "hybrid" beating time from the mondo and then add the exact runtime of the extended beating? If you add that to the mondo time it probably equals the 1966 foot count...(no grotto then).

174:04 - 4:54 (Mondo beating duration) + 6:52 (extended beating duration) = 176:02

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My calculator shows 4840m equates to 176:26. I'm referring to a mkv of the Mondo BD and it cuts short the music after fade out so this could account for the 24 second discrepancy.

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« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2014, 09:11:16 AM »

We should add in the "sorry Tuco" time from the ic that is not on the mondo as well since it exists on the original italian mono track...

It's around 16 seconds difference I think...

http://jordankrug.com/Screening_Room/leone2/sorrytucocompare.mov

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« Reply #95 on: December 01, 2014, 10:23:04 AM »

None of the running-time discrepancies are due to PAL vs. NTSC speedup?

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« Reply #96 on: December 01, 2014, 10:27:32 AM »

None of the running-time discrepancies are due to PAL vs. NTSC speedup?

On blu ray you don't have to worry since they are encoded at 24fps regardless of the country. Sometimes the extras are still in pal though.

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« Reply #97 on: December 01, 2014, 10:39:52 AM »

What's the exact English definition of the German title? Is it something like TWO MAGNIFICENT ROGUES/TRAMPS or TWO GLORIOUS ROUGUES/TRAMPS?

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« Reply #98 on: December 01, 2014, 10:41:47 AM »

So the main feature of a BRD is always in NTSC? I.e. As long as region-encoding is not an issue, any BRD will play on any BRD player?

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« Reply #99 on: December 01, 2014, 12:18:05 PM »

So the main feature of a BRD is always in NTSC? I.e. As long as region-encoding is not an issue, any BRD will play on any BRD player?

Not NTSC, that's just an US TV Standard.

All Blus work with 24 fps.

Pal works normally with 25 fps. Pal DVDs also

Two Glorious Scoundrels would probably be a direct translation (please, don't remind me again on that ... puke ... title)

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« Reply #100 on: December 01, 2014, 12:25:10 PM »

174:04 - 4:54 (Mondo beating duration) + 6:52 (extended beating duration) = 176:02

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My calculator shows 4840m equates to 176:26. I'm referring to a mkv of the Mondo BD and it cuts short the music after fade out so this could account for the 24 second discrepancy.


4840 is equal to 176,79 min. The 0,79 are then of course no seconds, but the percentage of a min, equal to ca 48 sec. Or not?

But we cannot expect to get it exactly to the sec. There are always different logos at the beginning, and the length of the closing music might also vary.

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« Reply #101 on: December 01, 2014, 12:31:22 PM »

Yeah, various versions have credits of different length. Every new studio or restoration company that gets ahold of a movie adds their logo at the beginning. A few seconds' difference here or there will inevitably occur.

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« Reply #102 on: December 01, 2014, 01:23:06 PM »

174:04 - 4:54 (Mondo beating duration) + 6:52 (extended beating duration) = 176:02

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My calculator shows 4840m equates to 176:26. I'm referring to a mkv of the Mondo BD and it cuts short the music after fade out so this could account for the 24 second discrepancy.


The Mondo runs 174:07 according to a German film database.

I also checked the extended torture scene on the Blu and on the 2004 DVD. The runtime is the same, so it must be on my Blu also in Pal length. If it is in Pal, then we have to add another 17 sec.
The torture scene on the MGM Blu runs btw with 5:02 min a little longer that the Italian one.

174:07 mondo + 2:15 extended torture scene + 0:16 Sorry Tuco = 176:35
Now we are pretty close.

Actually I prefer the shorter version of this scene. There are in the extended cut some more shots of the singing soldiers which clearly sing something else, the words do not match the lips, and somehow the scene is really too long  with these 2 extra minutes anyway.

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« Reply #103 on: December 01, 2014, 01:56:07 PM »

Oh, and if you watch the first minute of the Reconstruction of GBU in the bonus part of the disc, then you hear statements from Wallach and Grimaldi, which both remember that Leone hated it to make GBU shorter, but UA insisted.

The scenes which were cut from the Italian version are mostly the same as for the International version.

If I'm not wrong it is:

1. the scene in which Carson's girlfriend arrives with a group of soldiers (different to the IV)

2. Sentenza in the fort looking for Carson

3. Not sure about that, but it must be the scene in the desert with Blondie and Tuco's boot

4. Tuco asking for the direction to the hospital

5. Blondie and Sentenza camping at night, when Sentenza's men arrive

And the torture scene was shortened for excessive violence. Interesting that this was the only scene which was cut for the violence reason to make it suitable for 14 year olds.

Which also means my friend the drunk captain remained in the film in his full, glorious completeness. The Italians knew what's important.

Also the short segment after Tuco and Blondie leave the hospital wasn't cut.

Only, that even when the torture scene was completely cut, I don't get 20 min ...

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« Reply #104 on: December 01, 2014, 05:14:47 PM »


Two Glorious Scoundrels would probably be a direct translation (please, don't remind me again on that ... puke ... title)

How about "Play Me the Song of Death" instead of OUATITW? Please don't tell me you like that one any better!

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