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« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2011, 09:28:44 PM »

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly_did_they_use_black_powder_pistols_or_bp_cartridge_pistols

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« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2011, 06:55:36 AM »


WTF is the point of this, we already went through this whole subject, OK I'll play along.

BTY the poster on Wiki assumes the final Bridge Battle was in New Mexico, when in fact Sibley was already in retreat. In Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, and other points east there were naval siege guns defending the river systems, nuff said.

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« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2011, 11:44:50 AM »

Point is .... it another independant view ! There are two kinds of people in this world my friend ........Those who think they know it all and those who do.

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« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2011, 12:23:18 PM »

I would have gone there and posted but I can't seen to register at the moment, and boy is it a slow loading site, when I do I'll rectify that entry, and please, johnk, find more and I'll do the same at those.  Afro

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« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2011, 06:38:45 PM »

OK I posted the answer from our research in the discussion area. Check it out.

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« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2011, 03:47:29 AM »

i would like to give you more informations about these guns...i m a collectioner of black powder guns replicas and i can answer to all yours technical questions Wink Wink

first of all i m sure that you knows that the blondie gun is a colt navy 1851 in a 36 inch caliber...(octogonal barrel)

the tuco s gun is a sudist copy of the colt navy 1851 because in this case the barrel is  circular.the real name of this model is "griswold an gunnison" in a 36 caliber either. historicaly the gun s frame is not in steel  but in  an alliage of "bronze" (sorry i don't know the name of the metal alliage in english")
the production bought some italian copy of the great gun  firm uberti wich was the historically speaking the first firm to produce very good quality replicas of black powder guns...(first productionstarted in 1958!!)
the guns used in the gbu are not like the original guns because as you wrote before the conversion gun appeared later after the civil war
but it was more practical to use and safer for actors... (ask benito stefanelli he was a specialist as master of weapons...)
the angel eyes gun is a remington new model army in 44 inch caliber...

the color picture of the gun in josey wales is a model of conversion "colt 1861 army" it use normal metallic cartridge

the other one are colt 1861 army . only used with black powder (cap and ball system)
the difference between the 2 models is the steel stick under the barrel for the black powder model (in french it is named "levier de chargement " or loading *levier*

and as a conclusion the 2 enormous gun of clint in the movie "josey..." are  colt walker in cal.44 the most powerful (and heavy!)percussion colt of the black powder colt history:
Nice to hear an honest opinion .....and not  for once a  all in your face "I think know it all " view from Cigar Joe

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« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2011, 04:22:55 AM »

Never claimed to know it all pard, just laying out that its all very plausible.
Again carefully check out this entry:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=108.msg132721#msg132721

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« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2011, 09:03:53 PM »

In the fictional GBU universe Blondies gunsmith could infact have been Thomas Cofer, a Confederate gunsmith, who filed for a patent in Richmond as soon as the south succeeded for a revolver using a bore though cylinder with special metallic cartridges.  Cofer produced revolvers from 1861 to 1862 and is suspected to be the gunsmith responsible for one existing example from that time period converting a .36 cap and ball Manhattan to a .38 rimfire. #1 Blonideís gun!  And Iím not kidding you when I say that Sergio Leone could have quite possibly read this!

Thomas Cofers story is an interesting one and itís been a real treat digging up history on this guy.







I would be amazed if Leone had read this as I would have thought he would have other things on his mind like making an entertaining western !
Cofer's Confederate patent for a revolver with bore through cylinder and metallic cartridges dated 1861.

Cofer's first cylinder model.


#1- Page 140-144 of Confederate Handguns by William A. Albaugh, III Hugh Benet, Jr. Edward N. Simmons.  1963 Riling and Lentz, Philadelphia

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« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2011, 09:06:44 PM »

Never claimed to know it all pard, just laying out that its all very plausible.
Again carefully check out this entry:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=108.msg132721#msg132721
Anything is plausible ........We have to offset that with what is likely .......Pard

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« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2011, 03:56:21 AM »

Its very likely also, I've known many gunsmith's and its amazing what they can do, so take the fact that just about every podunk settlement had a gunsmith back then then its not unlikely that some would tinker around with what was available. Cofer is just one example documented.

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