Old Films Noir Index (so called)

[cigar joe]

New Index necessitated because old panels reached 10000 character limits, the list with new (extra) panels here:

 http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=13224.msg192886#msg192886
 

[cigar joe]

+) Neo Noir list here
 
NOIR TV

The Fugitive TV Series http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg89632#msg89632


BOOKS

Book http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg47565#msg47565

"Dark City" and "Dark City Dames" http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg22630#msg22630

"Dark City - The Film Noir" by Spencer Selby    http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg152425#msg152425

 "Film Noir" by Alain Silver and James Ursini http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg47557#msg47557

Book Review of Otto Preminger biography http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg102873#msg102873

The-Maltese-Touch-of-Evil-Film-Noir-and-Potential-Criticism http://www.tcm.com/this-month/movie-news.html?id=412909&name=The-Maltese-Touch-of-Evil-Film-Noir-and-Potential-Criticism





ARTICLES

Noir's Hard Luck Ladies Article http://www.criminalelement.com/blogs/2011/08/noirs-hard-luck-ladies-peggie-castle


WEB SITES

Back Alley Forums http://www.backalleynoir.com/forum.php

The Blackboard http://members.boardhost.com/mrvalentine/

movie website: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg29115#msg29115

theyshootpictures.com http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg72150#msg72150

"Noir of the Week" Website: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg84190#msg84190

Tribute to Dark Passage http://www.noircon.info/2010/10/noircon-and-david-goodis-revisit-dark.html


The Dark Room http://cinepad.com/filmnoir/dark_room.htm


IMAGES - CLIPS

Zoot Suits

Cab Calloway Geechy Joe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyuRT-ExzuQ

A Zoot Suit With a Reet Pleat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zKP-_oIADg&feature=related

Tex Avery's "Oh Wolfy": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtcJ7gvJP0Q&feature=related

Zoot Cat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6Gwdj0C6S4

Jim Carey in The Mask: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNEAnDrx3UE&feature=related

Other:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg150382#msg150382


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKQfDNw5ZNI



A good start.   Now you can start adding things like Backfire, Highway 301, Secret Beyond the Door, 711 Ocean Drive, Specter of the Rose, The Spiritualist, Violent Saturday, The Web, etc.

Some of the dates are debatable, too.

A good start.   Now you can start adding things like Backfire, Highway 301, Secret Beyond the Door, 711 Ocean Drive, Specter of the Rose, The Spiritualist, Violent Saturday, The Web, etc.

Some of the dates are debatable, too.

Give me the ect. 's too, feel free to point  them  screw-ups out and I'll correct them.

[drinkanddestroy]

I hope y'all appreciate the hard work and dedication of cigar joe, who singlehandedly took care of re-arranging the Noir index to make it better. All he cares about is the improvement of the SLWB, with no regard for the effort involved.

A very big THANK YOU and  for your work!

[Novecento]

Great job Cigar Joe 

This is so much better than having to trawl through that film noir thread.

Very much appreciated!

[cigar joe]

Great job Cigar Joe 

This is so much better than having to trawl through that film noir thread.

Very much appreciated!

No problem is something significant  is missing just start a new thread and I'll link it to the index.

[dave jenkins]

For reference: http://criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=517431#p517431

[cigar joe]

For reference: http://criterionforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=517431#p517431

Nice

[cigar joe]

From the many and varied books written about Film Noir the often quoted time frame that these films fit into is usually 1941 to 1958 some occasionally stretch to 1959. Who came came up with this initially, and why is it so strictly adhered too?
 
The more Noirs I watch the more I'm questioning this. I'm beginning to come around to a different thought, and that is that Classic American Film Noir stretched from say 1940 to 1968 (1968 being the last general use of B&W film in production) here is the breakdown by year of Black & White Noirs (there may be a few more to add in, in that 1959 to 1968 stretch (the 1959 cut off possibly for major studio production but independent productions continued):
 
1940 (5)
1941 (11)
1942 (5)
1943 (5)
1944 (18)
1945 (22)
1946 (42)
1947 (53)
1948 (43)
1949 (52)
1950 (57)
1951 (39)
1952 (26)
1953 (21)
1954 (26)
1955 (20)
1956 (19)
1957 (12)
1958 (7)
1959 (7)
1960 (2)
1961 (5)
1962 (6)
1963 (1)
1964 (4)
1965 (3)
1966 (2)
1967 (2)
1968 (1)
 
I'm also thinking now that the Color Film Noirs within this 1940-1968 time frame were the first Neo Noirs so that the two sub genres/styles actually overlap. The catalyst for this new alignment is when I read a quote about Neo Noir that said that if the filmmakers made a conscience decision to film in black and white when color was the norm then it was an artistic decision and not one of necessity for budget purposes, Same the other way if B&W was the norm for low budget B Noirs then it was an artistic decision to film it color.
 
The color film Noir the first 30 years (again there maybe a few more in these early years but they as a whole really up ticked in the 1980s and 1990's):
 
1945 (1)
1947 (1)
1948 (1)
1953 (2)
1955 (3)
1956 (3)
1958 (1)
1966 (1)
1967 (1)
1969 (1)
1970 (2)
1971 (4)
1972 (1)
1973 (0)
1974 (2)

[titoli]

Still jobless?

[dave jenkins]

Either that or his wife is away for a few days. 

[titoli]

From the many and varied books written about Film Noir the often quoted time frame that these films fit into is usually 1941 to 1958 some occasionally stretch to 1959. Who came came up with this initially, and why is it so strictly adhered too?

I'm currently reading a book on the subject and the reason for the 1958 is given as being the year of Welles movie.

[titoli]

Apparently, the movies made after that date and before the "neo-noir" are dubbed as "post-noir".

[dave jenkins]

I think CJ's proposal is sound. 1958 is an arbitrary date. 1968 (shouldn't it be 1967, the last year b&w films were industry standard?) is at least tied to a change in the industry. Since the whole noir notion is an illusion anyway, it makes sense to have something concrete to go by.

[cigar joe]

I think CJ's proposal is sound. 1958 is an arbitrary date. 1968 (shouldn't it be 1967, the last year b&w films were industry standard?) is at least tied to a change in the industry. Since the whole noir notion is an illusion anyway, it makes sense to have something concrete to go by.

I used 1968 to include The Pick-Up a sexploitation noir ;-)

I don't know why '58 is often selected either, that leaves out Odds Against Tomorrow (1959), maybe they are going by just major American studio productions.

[drinkanddestroy]

But how many black-and-white noirs were there in the 60's? Are you stretching the period by a decade just to cover a handful of films?