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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2017, 05:34:43 PM »

Apparently, the movies made after that date and before the "neo-noir" are dubbed as "post-noir".

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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2017, 07:00:27 PM »

I think CJ's proposal is sound. 1958 is an arbitrary date. 1968 (shouldn't it be 1967, the last year b&w films were industry standard?) is at least tied to a change in the industry. Since the whole noir notion is an illusion anyway, it makes sense to have something concrete to go by.

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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2017, 03:47:39 AM »

I think CJ's proposal is sound. 1958 is an arbitrary date. 1968 (shouldn't it be 1967, the last year b&w films were industry standard?) is at least tied to a change in the industry. Since the whole noir notion is an illusion anyway, it makes sense to have something concrete to go by.

I used 1968 to include The Pick-Up a sexploitation noir ;-)

I don't know why '58 is often selected either, that leaves out Odds Against Tomorrow (1959), maybe they are going by just major American studio productions.

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2017, 08:52:08 AM »

But how many black-and-white noirs were there in the 60's? Are you stretching the period by a decade just to cover a handful of films?

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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2017, 09:30:06 AM »

But how many black-and-white noirs were there in the 60's? Are you stretching the period by a decade just to cover a handful of films?
Even if that's the case, why not?

One of the things often noted in the decline of noir is the fact that a lot of the look and sensibilities of the thing migrated to TV in the late 50s. NBC was the first all color network, and I don't think they went the full peacock until 1965. Meanwhile you had such important noir-like shows like Perry Mason (57-66) and Alfred Hitchcock Presents/The Alfred Hitchcock Hour (55-62-65) andThe Fugitive (63-67) going on. Why not expand the parameters so as to take in the great Noir TV episodes? If true noir requires b&w cinematography, then it seems reasonable to me count everything eligible until all-color became the industry standard.

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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2017, 03:41:26 PM »

Even if that's the case, why not?

One of the things often noted in the decline of noir is the fact that a lot of the look and sensibilities of the thing migrated to TV in the late 50s. NBC was the first all color network, and I don't think they went the full peacock until 1965. Meanwhile you had such important noir-like shows like Perry Mason (57-66) and Alfred Hitchcock Presents/The Alfred Hitchcock Hour (55-62-65) andThe Fugitive (63-67) going on. Why not expand the parameters so as to take in the great Noir TV episodes? If true noir requires b&w cinematography, then it seems reasonable to me count everything eligible until all-color became the industry standard.

Agree, include Naked City TV Series (1958–1963), Mike Hammer TV (1958–1959), Peter Gunn TV (1958–1961), Johnny Staccato TV (1959), Richard Diamond, Private Detective TV (1957–1960) Johnny Midnight TV (1960) and I'm seen episodes of Suspense TV (1949–1954) that were quite noir-ish.

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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2017, 04:48:46 PM »

Some have even made the case that The Twilight Zone is noir-ish. Hey, it's got the right name for it.

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2017, 05:53:36 PM »

Some have even made the case that The Twilight Zone is noir-ish. Hey, it's got the right name for it.

Check out episode one if you get a chance, lots of Dutch Angles in that one, hell even some Outer Limits were very noiri-sh.

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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2017, 04:16:27 AM »

Found this on a Criminal Element.com article full article here: http://www.criminalelement.com/blogs/2011/05/masters-of-darkness-and-light-film-noirs-unheralded-geniuses

Listed below are sixteen cinemeatographers who shot some 135 film noirs during the classic period. That’s over one third of the entire body of classic noir, including the majority of its masterworks! Here’s where to start appreciating the major, and often undervalued, contribution of these great artists:

John Alton-T-Men, Raw Deal, The Big Combo
Burnett Guffey-The Reckless Moment, In A Lonely Place, Scandal Sheet
Nicholas Musuraca-Stranger On The Third Floor, Out Of The Past, Roadblock
John F. Seitz-Double Indemnity, The Big Clock, Sunset Blvd.
Harry J. Wild-Murder My Sweet, Pitfall, Cornered
Joseph LaShelle-Laura, Fallen Angel, Where The Sidewalk Ends
James Wong Howe-Body And Soul, He Ran All The Way, The Sweet Smell Of Success
Milton Krasner-The Woman in the Window, Scarlet Street, The Set-Up
George Diskant-Desperate, Kansas City Confidential, The Narrow Margin
Franz F. Planer-Criss Cross, 99 River Street, The Long Wait
Joseph P. Biroc-Cry Danger, The Killer That Stalked New York, World For Ransom
Joseph MacDonald-Pickup On South Street, Panic In The Streets, Street With No Name
Russell Metty-Kiss The Blood Off My Hands, Ride The Pink Horse, Touch Of Evil
Ernest Laszlo-M (1951), DOA, Kiss My Deadly
Lee Garmes-Caught, Nightmare Alley, Detective Story
Woody Bredell-The Killers, Phantom Lady, The Unsuspected

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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2017, 10:05:23 AM »

Joseph LaShelle-Laura, Fallen Angel, Where The Sidewalk Ends
And all with Dana Andrews. A natural trilogy.

Very helpful list, Joe, thanks.  Afro

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Great article, thanks for sharing!  Afro

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