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2008  Appaloosa  Ed Harris
2007  The Assassination of Jesse James By the Coward Robert Ford  Andrew Dominik

1999  *The Hi-Lo Country  Stephen Frears
1996  *Lone Star John Sayles
1993  Tombstone George Pan Cosmatos | William A. Fraker | Kevin Jarre
1992  O Pioneers!  (telefilm) Glenn Jordan
1991  Sarah Plain and Tall  (telefilm) Glenn Jordan
1991  Conagher  Reynaldo Villalobos

1989  The Tracker John Guillermin
1989  Lonesome Dove  Simon Wincer
1987  The Quick and the Dead  Robert Day
1986  The Red-Headed Stranger  William D. Wittliff
1984  Calamity Jane (telefilm with Jane Alexander)  James Goldstone
1982  The Ballad of Gregorio Cortez  Robert M. Young and Reynaldo Villalobos
1982  Barbarosa  Fred Schepisi

1980  Tom Horn  William Wiard
1980  The Long Riders  Walter Hill
1980  Heaven's Gate  Michael Cimino
1979  Heartland  Richard Pearce
1979  Eagle's Wing  Anthony Harvey
1978  Comes A Horseman  Alan J. Pakula
1977  Un autre homme, une autre chance (France) Claude Lelouch
1976  The Shootist  Donald Siegel
1976  The Outlaw Josey Wales  Clint Eastwood
1974  Little House On the Prairie (telefilm) Michael Landon
1973  The Red Pony (telefilm with Henry Fonda)  Robert Totten
1973  Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid  Sam Peckinpah
1972  Ulzana's Raid  Robert Aldrich
1972  *Pocket Money Stuart Rosenberg
1972  The New Land (Swedish) Jan Troell
1972  *J.W. Coop  Cliff Robertson
1972  *Junior Bonner Sam Peckinpah
1972  Jeremiah Johnson  Sydney Pollack
1972  The Cowboys  Mark Rydell
1972  Bad Company  Robert Benton
1971  McCabe & Mrs. Miller  Robert Altman
1971  *The Last Picture Show Peter Bogdanovich
1971  The Hired Hand  Peter Fonda
1971  Hannie Caulder  Burt Kennedy
1971  A Gunfight  Lamont Johnson
1971  The Emigrants (Sweden) Jan Troell

1970  *Run Simon Run (telefilm) George McCowan
1970  Monte Walsh William A. Fraker
1970  A Man Called Horse  Elliott Silverstein
1970  Little Big Man  Arthur Penn
1969  *The Wild Bunch  Sam Peckinpah
1969  True Grit  Henry Hathaway
1969  Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here  Abraham Polonsky
1969  Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid  George Roy Hill
1968  *Villa Rides  Buzz Kulik
1968  The Stalking Moon  Robert Mulligan
1968  C'era una volta il West (Italy-Sapin-USA) Sergio Leone
1967  *La Soldadera (Mexico)  José Bolańos
1967  Hour of the Gun  John Sturges
1967  Hombre  Martin Ritt
1966  The Professionals  Richard Brooks
1966  Duel At Diablo  Ralph Nelson
1966  The Appaloosa  Sidney J. Furie
1965  The Shooting  Monte Hellman
1965  Ride In the Whirlwind  Monte Hellman
1963  *Hud Martin Ritt
1963  How the West Was Won  Henry Hathaway | George Sherman | John Ford
1962  *Lonely Are the Brave David Miller
1962  The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance  John Ford
1961  One-Eyed Jacks  Marlon Brando | Charles Lang
1961  *The Misfits John Huston
1961  The Last Sunset  Robert Aldrich

1960  The Unforgiven  John Huston
1960  *Pancho Villa y la Valentina (Mexico) Ismael Rodriguez
1960  Flaming Star  Donald Siegel
1960  *Cuando ˇViva Villa! es la muerte (Mexico)  Ismael Rodriguez
1960  Comanche Station  Budd Boetticher
1960  The Alamo  John Wayne
1959  The Wonderful Country  Robert Parrish
1959  Warlock Edward Dmytryk
1959  *La Cucaracha (Mexico)   Ismael Rodriguez
1958  Tonka  Lewis R. Foster
1958  The Left-Handed Gun  Arthur Penn
1958  From Hell To Texas  Richard Fleischer
1958  The Big Country  William Wyler
1957  3:10 to Yuma  Delmer Daves
1957  *Así era Pancho Villa (Mexico)   Ismael Rodriguez
1956  7 Men From Now  Budd Boetticher
1956  Star In the Dust  Charles F. Haas
1956  The Searchers  John Ford
1956  Man From Del Rio  Harry Horner
1956  La Escondida (Mexico) Roberto Gavaldón
1956  *Bus Stop   Joshua Logan
1956  Bandido  Richard Fleischer
1955  The Man From Laramie  Anthony Mann
1955  The Last Command  Frank Lloyd
1955  *Giant  George Stevens
1954  Track of the Cat  William A. Wellman
1954  The Outcast  William Witney
1954  Four Guns to the Border  Richard Carlson
1954  The Far Country  Anthony Mann
1954  *The Cowboy (documentary)   Elmo Williams
1953  Shane  George Stevens
1953  Ride, Vaquero!  John Farrow
1953  The Naked Spur  Anthony Mann
1953  Hondo 3-D  John Farrow
1953  Gun Fury  Raoul Walsh
1953  The Charge at Feather River 3-D  Gordon Douglas
1953  Arrowhead  Charles Marquis Warren
1952  *Viva Zapata!  Elia Kazan
1952  Ride the Man Down  Joseph Kane
1952  High Noon  Fred Zinneman
1952  The Big Sky  Howard Hawks
1952  Bend of the River  Anthony Mann
1951  Westward the Women  William A. Wellman
1951  Vengeance Valley  Richard Thorpe
1951  *The Bullfighter and the Lady  Budd Boetticher

1950  Wagonmaster  John Ford
1950  Sundowners  George Templeton and Alan LeMay
1950  High Lonesome Alan LeMay and George Templeton
1950  The Gunfighter  Henry King
1950  Devil's Doorway  Anthony Mann
1950  Broken Arrow  Delmer Daves
1950  Ambush  Sam Wood
1949  Tale of the Navajos (quasi-documentary) Harry Chandlee and John A. Haeseler
1949  She Wore a Yellow Ribbon  John Ford
1949  Colorado Territory  Raoul Walsh
1948  *Treasure of the Sierra Madre  John Huston
1948  3 Godfathers  John Ford
1948  Station West  Sidney Lanfield
1948  Red River  Howard Hawks
1948  Four Faces West  Alfred E. Green
1948  Fort Apache  John Ford
1948  Blood on the Moon  Robert Wise
1947  Sea of Grass  Elia Kazan
1947  Ramrod  Andre de Toth
1947  La Perla (Mexico)  Emilio "El Indio" Fernandez
1947  *The Fugitive  John Ford
1946  My Darling Clementine  John Ford
1946  *Enamorada (Mexico)  Emilio "El Indio" Fernandez
1946  Duel In the Sun  Victor Fleming etc.
1943  The Ox-Bow Incident  William A. Wellman
1941  Western Union  Fritz Lang
1941  They Died With Their Boots On Raoul Walsh
1941  Blood and Sand  Rouben Mamoulian

1940  The Westerner  William Wyler
1940  Return of Frank James  Fritz Lang
1940  The Mark of Zorro  Rouben Mamoulian
1940  *The Grapes of Wrath John Ford
1940  Arizona  Wesley Ruggles
1939  Stagecoach  John Ford
1939  Jesse James  Henry King
1939  Dodge City  Michael Curtiz
1937  Rustler's Valley  Nate Watt
1937  The Plainsman  Cecil B. DeMille
1937  Borderland  Nate Watt
1936  Trail Dust  Nate Watt
1936  The Robin Hood of El Dorado  William A. Wellman
1936  *Vámonos con Pancho Villa (Mexico)  Fernando de Fuentes
1935  The Arizonian
1934  *El Compadre Mendoza (Mexico)  Juan Bustillo Oro, Fernando de Fuentes
1933  *Prisoner 13 (Mexico) Fernando de Fuentes
1932  Robbers' Roost  Louis King
1932  The Rainbow Trail  David Howard
1932  Law and Order  Edward L. Cahn
1931  Riders of the Purple Sage  Hamilton McFadden
1931  The Cisco Kid  Irving Cummings
1931  Cimarron  Wesley Ruggles

1930  The Silent Enemy (documentary)  H.P. Carver
1930  Lone Star Ranger  A.F. Erickson
1930  Last of the Duanes  Alfred L. Werker
1930  Billy the Kid  King Vidor
1930  The Big Trail  Raoul Walsh
1929  The Virginian  Victor Fleming
1927  The Wind  Victor Sjöström
1927  Nevada (with Gary Cooper)  John Waters
1927  The Gaucho  F. Richard Jones
1925  Tumbleweed  King Baggot, Willian S. Hart
1925  The Iron Horse  John Ford
1923  The Covered Wagon  James Cruze
1922  Blood and Sand  Fred Niblo

1920  The Toll Gate Lambert Hillyer
1917  Straight Shooting  John Ford
1917  The Narrow Trail  William S. Hart, Lambert Hillyer
1916  Hell's Hinges  Charles Swickard, William S. Hart
1915  Passing of the Oklahoma Outlaw Sheriff William Tilghman
1914  In the Land of the War Canoes (documentary)  Edward S. Curtis
1912  Custer's Last Fight  Francis Ford

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 06:03:04 AM »

Hadn't you once said that the 50 best westerns were made before 1939?

You don't include any Spagetti Westerns. You don't like any of them?

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 09:12:18 AM »

are you sure this is a list of the Best Westerns Ever Made? Broken Arrow, The Charge at Feather River, Station West, Lonely Are the Brave, The Naked Spur? The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford? April Fools Day is over 4 months away  Wink

 I mean, I can understand if you enjoyed those movies. And I am not saying they are all necessarily bad. I enjoyed some of them as well. But I don't see how they can be on a list of the "best Westerns ever made." I don't see how any of those movies I mentioned can be rated anything higher than a 7.5/10. And that is a very long list for the "best Westerns ever made." IMO a list of the "Best Westerns" should be like a Top 10, or Top 20, or  Top 50. Maybe even a Top 100. But this list must have like 200 movies. IMO that is way too long for a "Best of" list.

So my point is: maybe I can agree with you that those movies are indeed among the 200 best Westerns ever made. But I think that a list of 200 is too long for a "best Westerns list."

I'd be more interested to see a list of your Top 25 or so Smiley


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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2011, 09:54:43 AM »

The Naked Spur is on many best western lists, and is generally considered as one of the best westerns of the 50s. So hardly a surprise.

And the new Jesse James is probably the best western since the 70s. Also hardly a surprise. And Lonely are the Brave and Broken Arrow are also important entries in the history of western films.

Apart from that you forget that any best westerns (or films) list is a subjective view on the genre, and normally most of such lists contain at least one film others would easily call a turkey. To stay with the film you have named, Charge at Feather River is for me indeed only a mediocre actioner. And I think it wouldn't made many top 100 western lists.

And I don't think that list is too long. It is too short.
There are still many, many excellent westerns missing. Excellent imo. My list would probably be more extensive.


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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2011, 10:02:42 AM »

But I don't see how they can be on a list of the "best Westerns ever made." I don't see how any of those movies I mentioned can be rated anything higher than a 7.5/10.

Familiarize yourself with the concept of an opinion. I'd rate Broken Arrow very highly myself, though I prefer Devil's Doorway for 1950 pro-Indian Westerns. I'm not a huge fan of Assassination of Jesse James but many are.

Mr. W's list has some eclectic choices but on the whole it's an interesting one. The only thing I'd object to is the "contemporary Western" classification but that's a pet peeve of mine.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2011, 10:17:45 AM »

I believe its Richard W's personal list, nothing more nothing less, and seems to go best for each year, unless there is a tie where he lists two or three for that year. I haven't seen very many pre 1939 or silent Westerns but these I can pretty much agree with without checking what other Westerns were made in these particular ones but I'd add The Good The Bad & The Ugly in 1966 and  Duck You Sucker for 1971 along side McCabe & Mrs. Miller But then I've come to the point of not differentiating anymore between AW's, SW's, MW's and EW's(I haven't seen very many good Westerns post 1980):



1980  Tom Horn
1980  The Long Riders
1972  Ulzana's Raid
1971  McCabe & Mrs. Miller
1969  The Wild Bunch
1966  The Professionals
1962  The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
1960  Comanche Station
1957  3:10 to Yuma
1956  7 Men From Now
1956  The Searchers
1955  The Man From Laramie
1954  The Far Country
1953  Shane
1952  ˇViva Zapata!
1952  High Noon
1952  Bend of the River
1951  Westward the Women
1950  Wagonmaster
1950  The Gunfighter
1950  Devil's Doorway
1950  Broken Arrow
1949  Colorado Territory
1948  Treasure of the Sierra Madre (contemporary western)
1948  3 Godfathers
1946  My Darling Clementine
1943  The Ox-Bow Incident
1941  Western Union
1941  They Died With Their Boots On
1941  Blood and Sand
1940  The Westerner
1939  Stagecoach
1930  The Big Trail
1925  The Iron Horse

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2011, 10:22:46 AM »

These lists are always fun to read. VILLA RIDES ? But no RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY, RIO BRAVO, WINCHESTER 73 (just to name a few) ?

I didn't make such lists since the 80s, when there was time in school class, maybe I should try again.

- THE WILD BUNCH
- RIO BRAVO
- THE GOOD,THE BAD & THE UGLY
- IL GRANDE SILENZIO
- RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY
- ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST
- THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE
- IL MERCENARIO
- QUIEN SABE ?
- THE SEARCHERS
- IL MIO NOME E NESSUNO


I suppose I'd never call such lists the 'Best ever made', THE OX-BOW INCIDENT is surely better than NOBODY. Rather 'favorites' as they play more often in my DVD player than other great ones Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2011, 11:02:26 AM »

I did not love Tom Horn, The Naked Spur, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, Villa Rides, or Station West. I also think The Searchers and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid were overrated.

off the top of my head, here are my personal favorite AW's, in no particular order:

Rio Bravo
McCabe & Mrs. Miller
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
Fort Apache
The Big Country
The Far Country
The Shootist
Stagecoach
Red River
The Horse Soldiers
Jesse James (1939)
The Return of Frank James (1940)
Man of the West
The Gunfighter
Hombre
The Bravados
The Proud Ones
The Mercenary
The Big Gundown
The Magnificent Seven

The only SW's I have seen besides Leone's are: The Big Gundown, The Mercenary, Death Rides a Horse, and Barquero. They were all good; the first two are probably on my list of favorites.

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2011, 01:44:44 PM »

Hadn't you once said that the 50 best westerns were made before 1939?

Yes.

You don't include any Spagetti Westerns. You don't like any of them?

Who said I don't like Spaghetti Westerns?
Whoever told you that is lying.


...I'd be more interested to see a list of your Top 25 or so

That's harder, but since you ask, I'll try when I get a chance.

...And I don't think that list is too long. It is too short.
There are still many, many excellent westerns missing. Excellent imo. My list would probably be more extensive.

I left off a lot of westerns I enjoy the most -- like The Comancheros, North to Alaska, A Distant Trumpet, Ride the High Country, Rio Conchos, Cat Ballou, The Sons of Katie Elder, El Dorado, Bandolero!, 100 Rifles -- for reasons. And I included some B movies because for all their B-ness they convey some underlying truth about the American west. I also left off several admiral westerns like I Shot Jesse James (1949) and Texas author Alan LeMay's High Lonesome (1950) and its brother The Sundowners (1950) because  for all their virtues -- which are considerable -- they are experimental films that don't quite succeed even on their own terms. I included Jesse James and The Return of Frank James despite Henry Hull, a fine and authentic actor whose blustering comedy relief is unnecessary, distracting, and obnoxious. Why didn't the directors shut him up or change his character. I left off Will Penny (1968) because it didn't need all those TV cliches and zoom-happy rack-focus crap, although Charlton Heston is worth his weight in gold. The Western always brought out the best in Heston, as it does in all American actors.

I just added Hud, The Last Picture Show, and The Hired Hand.

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2011, 02:09:31 PM »

I loved the Hull character in Jesse James and The Return of Frank James

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2011, 03:31:17 PM »

Who said I don't like Spaghetti Westerns?
Whoever told you that is lying.

You did say on another thread that Spaghettis by and large weren't "real" Westerns because they reflect a European sensibility.

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2011, 06:28:51 PM »

My list started as a reaction to the list on Criterion Forum. In that list, westerns are judged under some kind of weird, tortured feminist criteria. The woman who writes it has a hatred for men that reaches beyond neurotic and into the psychotic. Her criteria is her psychosis. There is no logic or reality in it. She is out of her mind. No matter how she analyzes a western, it always comes out to the same thing -- women are oppressed and marginalized victims of the men who are really perverts but they don't know it yet. She knows nothing about the American west as history, nothing about westerns, less than nothing about spaghetti westerns, nothing about drama or story-telling, and nothing about film production. She likes women, however. The website owners give her the run of the place. While it is true that everyone is entitled to an opinion, some opinions are quite worthless. Her list and her reviews on Criterion Forum are worthless.

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2011, 07:28:00 PM »

Let me guess: Duel in the Sun, Johnny Guitar, Forty Guns and The Furies were at the top of the list? Grin

God save us from the feminist critics. My film class experiences with that lot weren't pleasant.

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2011, 09:07:44 PM »

Let me guess: Duel in the Sun, Johnny Guitar, Forty Guns and The Furies were at the top of the list? Grin

God save us from the feminist critics. My film class experiences with that lot weren't pleasant.

You can probably add "Many Rivers to Cross" to that list.  Wink

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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2011, 08:29:11 AM »

The Criterion list was done by several members who liked to contribute (I was one, but entered the half year of discussions and suggestions only a few days before the voting was closed) , and not by only one member. Everybody who is part of the forum was allowed to vote, and it is part of their ongoing big lists project.
It is quite a good list imo, and I doubt that there was too much influence on the actual list by the one member Richard was talking about. But who knows ...

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