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« #15 : January 03, 2014, 04:07:05 AM »

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« #16 : January 03, 2014, 03:10:55 PM »

The new UK blu includes a booklet with several things of interest. One is an interview with Leigh Brackett from July, 1975. In this excerpt she explains how the script came together. Warning: MASSIVE SPOILERS.
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Well, I was working with Jerry Bick in the beginning. Elliot Kastner of course was the executive producer, and Jerry was the producer, and with Brian Hutton, who was to be the director.
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And Brian was having problems himself at that time. And Brian got a brilliant idea how to solve the plot problem. I kept telling him, I don’t think it’ll work because I think . . . well, I didn’t think, but Brian didn’t understand the discipline and the structure of the mystery story. . . .
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And this brilliant idea was very clever, the only trouble was it killed you right at the top of page one. You were dead right there. Well, I thought maybe I’m wrong so I’ll go ahead and do it, and so I wrote a script. And it didn’t work.
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Well, we threw out quite a lot of characters and we started off with Terry and the death of Sylvia. And his idea was that Terry had pre-planned the whole thing. He’d murdered his wife himself knowing that Roger Wade would be blamed for it. In other words, you had people coming out of boxes and saying words because they had to, otherwise the plot didn’t work. And a plot that’s built that way never works: you’ve just got puppets and nothing builds. So I sent it in and I didn’t like it very much, and I had done something with the ending I’ve forgotten, because the ending in the book is inconclusive, everybody felt, and I did something . . . and Brian said no, hell, I’d rather have Marlowe shoot him himself. So I said  well, fine, that at least I do like, so let’s have Marlowe shoot him. So that’s where that came from. And then there was a hiatus, some problem that had nothing to do with me, I don’t know, way up at the production top, and Brian had another commitment and had to leave the film. So we sat for quite a while on the shelf, and so then they got Bob Altman. And Bob Altman was cutting Images at that point and he was in London so I scooted over to London again . . .
And we had jam sessions, he and Jerry Bick and I met for a week and got it all thrashed out, and I’d go to a hotel at night and pound on a borrowed typewriter until I got the notes all down and would go back the next day and do the next segment. And we got everything all thrashed out and then I came home and did the script, and that was that. And some of the touches like the cat, the opening with the cat, were Bob’s, and the ending, where he dances away to . . . that was Altman’s, and the first time I saw that in the projection room I looked at it and “What in the . . . is going on here?” And he said, “You know, the whole thing is a farce, you can’t play it straight, everybody knows, so you play it off as a joke.”
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« #17 : January 03, 2014, 03:37:28 PM »

"because the ending in the book is inconclusive"

Surely it isn't as conclusive as in the movie. ::)



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« #18 : January 04, 2014, 02:32:07 AM »

Altman's TLG is very different from Chandler's TLG. The film is based on the book, but it is far from being a faithful adaptation. I don't remember how much the story differs, but in tone and style Altman's film is completely on his own.


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« #19 : January 04, 2014, 04:08:47 PM »

I recall seeing an interview with Altman (probably on the DVD's bonus features) where said something like, "People were telling me, 'this is not Philip Marlowe,' but what they really meant was, 'this is not Humphrey Bogart' "


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« #20 : January 04, 2014, 04:10:44 PM »

(note: the above is a VERY indirect quote, written purely from memory of an interview I watched a couple of years ago... If you have the dvd, check out the bonus features and you can see what Altman said, how accurate my 'transcription' is :-)


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« #21 : January 06, 2014, 11:19:56 AM »

Elliot Gould is neither Humphrey Bogart nor Chandler's hero. It's best to view Gould as a guy who just happens to have the name of a fictional character. Altman's TLG is not Chandler's. This is a good thing--Chandler's novel is terrible.



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« #22 : January 06, 2014, 02:06:32 PM »

First thing I hear. All Chandler novels or only this one?


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« #23 : July 10, 2014, 03:27:43 PM »

I generally stopped buying movies unless I really love them, and in this case, it's worth a buy:

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=14443

Finally! Been holding off on the standard DVD for a while. Altman is one of my favorite filmmakers (better than Leone) and this may be his best work, besides maybe 3 Women.

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« #24 : July 12, 2014, 04:29:31 AM »




A waste of time. The movie is better than the book, people here say.

I finally got around to the novel, the book is a bit long and a bit tedious, its about blonds, a handful of blonds, its about Terry Lenox, a bit too much about Lenox, its about a high society LA that isn't very hard boiled, its about a soft boiled Marlowe written by a Chandler who lost his edge. He keeps attempting classic Marlowe-izims (i.e. the classic, ... he stood out "like a tarantula on a piece of angel food") that misfire badly. Its a book to far, Chandler does the blonds better than Altman, in the film they are sort of all condensed into the bevy of spaced out beauties living next door to Marlowe, and Nina van Pallandt is terrible as the only blond Altman features but like mentioned before Altman does the end better and with style.


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« #25 : July 16, 2014, 09:50:53 AM »

It's about time this will be released on R1.



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« #26 : August 28, 2014, 04:35:53 PM »

It's about time this will be released on R1.
How about in Region A? http://www.amazon.com/Long-Goodbye-Blu-ray-Elliot-Gould/dp/B00MYMTANU/ref=pd_rhf_gw_s_cp_36_28KA?ie=UTF8&refRID=13YDQZMEV7RDXWJNFNW7



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« #27 : March 28, 2016, 03:27:38 PM »

Gould about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5mfNmbs7IA


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« #28 : October 13, 2019, 06:40:05 AM »

So i re-watched it (Saw it 2 or 3 times in the theatres, then on tv and finally not dubbed a couple of times). Well, some rambling thoughts. The finale clearly pays homage to Nights of Cabiria.  The cat should have earned an Oscar. The song by Williams and Mercer reminded me of I'm a fool to want you (but it is not included in the Williams sheet music collections I've found on amazon. pity). Marlowe is absolutely hetero (he would like to be serviced by the girls with a couple of yankee doodles: which makes me think that even the english speaking watchers should activate the subtitles). Two things do not work for me: the too comedic  sketch (thankfully short) with Augustine's henchman, it detracts from the line of the movie where only Gould is consciously doing comedy; and Van Pallandt's behaviour. I mean, if she wants to get rid of Hayden, why not divorce him? One would think that she stays with him because he's got the money but we discover that it's hers. Much easier than having Marlowe find him, taking him home and then hoping he'll suicide (as he will) but also risking he may hurt her or he may not be successful at it. Actually, diserting him would certainly accelerate his self-demise, like she reveals to Marlowe talking of a past incident after she left him.And then, why does she try to save him bringing the attention to his drowning while talking with Gould?  Yeah, she's the dark lady (and I hadn't realized that so far) and Marlowe should have something against her too.  Still it is a 8-9/10.

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« #29 : October 14, 2019, 06:16:13 AM »

BTW, Bouton left us last july.


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