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« #15 : November 17, 2004, 11:00:43 AM »

gotta agree with two kinds... decent... but horribly overrated... i wouldn't have it in my top 10 of 60's westerns.


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« #16 : November 17, 2004, 12:04:28 PM »

The Wild Bunch is the first western to push the envelope.


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« #17 : November 18, 2004, 01:08:34 PM »

The Wild Bunch is the first western to push the envelope.
No, it really wasn't.  And its violence was old hat for the fans of spaghetti westerns when it came out.   It has some cool parts, but it is really overrated and compared to Leone, Sam's got a boring camera.  

As I mentioned above there are two `60's "classics" that are partly screwed by Ernest Borgnine and his ham fisted acting: The Wild Bunch and The Dirty Dozen.    He's a caricture in both.

Further, the diaolg is a big "who cares?" in The Wild Bunch.   It's fine and fun, but a zapata derivitive and I don't like zapata westerns too much.


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« #18 : November 18, 2004, 05:21:03 PM »

I agree with you on Borgnine, I've never really liked him in most films, he does play a good bad guy that you love to hate but not a likeable simpathetic character in the least. Ernest had a bit part in Johnny Guitar too by the way.

I've mentioned before also in a thread that the only way that Sam showed any kind of gang cohesion was by their drinking and their incessant insane laughing, you'd think you were watching a staple Spaghetti Western scene but it goes on and on and on way to long. It was as if he were trying to make the gang likeable I guess. The dialog definitely doesn't do it.



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« #19 : November 18, 2004, 10:16:08 PM »

The Wild Bunch is the first western to push the envelope.

That is possibly the silliest thing i've ever heard uttered on these boards... what envelope did it push? Is that the envelope that spaghetti's and Peckinpah prior to The Wild Bunch had been pushing up and down the western genre... absolute donkey turd is what that statement is... funny thing is i hear it all the time.

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« #20 : November 19, 2004, 07:43:56 AM »

I consider The Wild Bunch to be my favorite non-Eastwood western. I have the DVD but haven't watched it in some time. Perhaps it's time to do so again.

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« #21 : November 19, 2004, 12:20:19 PM »

That is possibly the silliest thing i've ever heard uttered on these boards... what envelope did it push? Is that the envelope that spaghetti's and Peckinpah prior to The Wild Bunch had been pushing up and down the western genre... absolute donkey turd is what that statement is... funny thing is i hear it all the time.
With you 100%, granpa chum! IMhumbleO, westerns that "pushed the envelope" include WILLIAM WYLER'S THE WESTERNER (1940); HENRY KING'S THE GUNFIGHTER (1950); GEORGE STEVENS SHANE (1953); JOHN FORD'S WORK and of course LEONE'S! And not forgetting WILLIAM WELLMAN'S unforgetable classic THE OX-BOW INCIDENT (1943). And maybe 50 more! ;)

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« #22 : November 19, 2004, 01:49:09 PM »

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« #23 : November 19, 2004, 04:34:57 PM »

dont sound bad 2 me, film junkie zach, got scarface, just need a girlfriend lol  :-\


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« #24 : November 19, 2004, 07:08:36 PM »

Zach, sorry about Grandpa, he's crotchety.  I hope you felt my disagreement was respectful.   If not f**k you and the F**kin' Diaz Brothers!


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« #25 : November 19, 2004, 09:06:26 PM »

It's Cool Two Kinds of... I'm not worried about Grandpa, He's fine. I'm just getting tired of Belkin. He's been in my shit ever since I got here


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« #26 : November 19, 2004, 10:04:06 PM »

I don't know belkin or why he bothers screwing around with font and text colors.  


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« #27 : November 19, 2004, 10:56:26 PM »

It's Cool Two Kinds of... I'm not worried about Grandpa, He's fine. I'm just getting tired of Belkin. He's been in my **** ever since I got here

I'm glad you take my rantings as disrespectful... they aren't meant to be that way... and belkin is on everybodies ass... you get used it... and even learn to enjoy it... haha... just kidding around... actually belkin is one of the few who agree with me once in a while...

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« #28 : November 19, 2004, 10:58:58 PM »

I consider The Wild Bunch to be my favorite non-Eastwood western. I have the DVD but haven't watched it in some time. Perhaps it's time to do so again.

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« #29 : November 20, 2004, 01:23:06 AM »

That is possibly the silliest thing i've ever heard uttered on these boards... what envelope did it push? Is that the envelope that spaghetti's and Peckinpah prior to The Wild Bunch had been pushing up and down the western genre... absolute donkey turd is what that statement is... funny thing is i hear it all the time.
gramps, could you share your thoughts on early sam ? i.e. his riffle man series, ect.  
 
oh yeah, our back threads have a multitude of sins.  lol, is there no end to our blasphemy ?

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