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« : May 24, 2012, 01:40:59 PM »

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/05/the-american-west-150-years-ago/100304/



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« #1 : May 24, 2012, 03:10:50 PM »

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« #2 : May 24, 2012, 04:14:55 PM »

Very Cool

This one looks like the Carriage of the Spirits



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« #3 : May 24, 2012, 04:55:54 PM »

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Timothy O'Sullivan's darkroom wagon, pulled by four mules, entered the frame at the right side of the photograph, reached the center of the image, and turned around, heading back out of the frame. Footprints lead from the wagon toward the camera, revealing the photographer's path. Photo taken in 1867, in the Carson Sink, part of Nevada's Carson Desert. (Timothy O'Sullivan/LOC)


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« #4 : May 24, 2012, 11:24:21 PM »

Were these photos in one of those archives that were just opened and disseminated widely for the first time, or have they been widely available for a while? I'd love to know if it was possible that Leone saw these pictures. If he did, I really believe you guys may be on to something in pointing out the comparisons with GBU.


On a separate note: I have seen these and other archive photos of the West, of mining towns and desert and mines and Indians. But I am interested in seeing some photos of a "regular" town's main street. ie. not a mining town, which looks like a bunch of makeshift dwellings around a mine, but a main street, with the saloon and hotel and telegraph office and livery stable etc. etc. etc. I'd really love to compare those photos with the main streets of towns that we see in so many Westerns. (as well as the interiors of these buildings). I'm sure I'll get a bunch of hits by Googling it, but I would appreciate it if anyone knows of a good online photo archive you can point me to that has nice shots of the main street of Western towns. Thanks  O0


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« #5 : May 25, 2012, 12:16:31 PM »

Sometimes you can do a search of a town on ebay and you will get some good, old postcards of the main street to look at.

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« #6 : May 25, 2012, 01:18:44 PM »

Virginia City, Montana, is close: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1341.0


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« #7 : October 02, 2012, 12:20:08 PM »

 (COLORIZED) Lt. Custer and Union Troops (1862)




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« #8 : October 02, 2012, 01:29:52 PM »

(COLORIZED) Lt. Custer and Union Troops (1862)


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« #9 : October 02, 2012, 02:22:30 PM »

some more pictures here...


http://www.old-picture.com/civil-war-index-001.htm


http://www.old-picture.com/old-west-index-001.htm



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« #10 : October 05, 2012, 06:38:09 AM »

Since you brought up George Custer, you really need to read up on his soldiering, like in a 2012 True West magazine.  Sure, we've all heard about Little Big Horn, but his orders were pretty direct, like kill them or bring the Indians in, and within certain timeframe.

Many historians actually feel that Custer was the single most soldier behind the North actually winning the war, and feel that his reputation has been far overshadowed by Little Big Horn, where he relied on incorrect information.  He was like Forest Gump, turning up at most major confrontations, Gettysburg, Appomatox (was even given the desk upon which the surrender was signed).

True, his men had done an all-night march, but Custer felt that his element of surprise would have been compromised, so maybe 20/20 hindsight.

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« #11 : October 05, 2012, 10:31:46 AM »

True, his men had done an all-night march, but Custer felt that his element of surprise would have been compromised, so maybe 20/20 hindsight.
Wouldn't have mattered. The Sioux had repeating rifles, Custer's men didn't. Technology trumps tactics every time.



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« #12 : October 05, 2012, 12:50:37 PM »

The idea that Custer played a "decisive" role in the Civil War is balderdash. He certainly served with distinction, but nothing that won a major battle (as opposed to a cavalry skirmish) or decided a campaign. The July 3rd cavalry battle at Gettysburg was at best a sideshow to Pickett's Charge and Culp's Hill. He helped checkmate Lee at Appomattox but the two Yankee infantry corps played a bigger part.

As for Little Big Horn, Custer tried what had worked at the Washita River: divide his force and attack the hostiles in their camp. Problem is that he was outnumbered at least 10 to 1 (more if you include noncombatants) on this occasion and there was no coordination between his battalions.



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« #13 : October 05, 2012, 04:55:41 PM »

It should have been posted in the GBU forum.


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« #14 : October 06, 2012, 11:04:41 AM »

General Sibley....you would think with his profile heīd be on the winning side.




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