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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2003, 04:48:13 AM »

Doesn't it bother you that the films are in Italian or French or dubbed whatever language ?  I know that they are Italian films  Wink but I can imagine Eastwood talking in Italian (or any other language but English) sounds kind of fake...  That is one of the things I am happy to be belgian, they never dub films there.  The thought of a Dutch version of Clint fills me with horror...

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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2003, 08:33:41 AM »

... and what about the japanise version?! Wink
Do you in know in how many languages have been dubbed the Leone's movies? Huh Huh

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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2003, 12:48:48 AM »

Oh Jill, I'm with you and Il Buono: you don't know what kind of nightmares provides me to hear Gabriele Ferzetti, playing Morton (the one who looks at the ocean...), speak in english - or in general in any language but italian. And so for Romolo Valli (Dr. Villega), Gian Maria Volonté (you know who) and another dirty dozen of italian actors in Leone's films. But I understand I have to put up with it...  Cool

I am obviously joking, because I can assure that to hear Eastwood, or Fonda, or De Niro speak in italian is not a drama: one can easily get used to it, especially if that happens from the birth; and I must say that there's been many great dubbers that were great actors too that had been very skillful, and I assure you that they knew how to talk to dub their charachters.

Personally I prefer the original versions too, and I love DVDs: I am only saying that tough guys live in Japan too, and they speak japanese.  Wink

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2003, 09:22:44 AM »

But the films were meant to hit Hollywood, weren't they?  Even for A Fistful of Dollars Leone wanted to show his film in America, right?  Kind of: 'Look what I made, I made a western...'
So if I'm right, the artistic vision wants the dialogue to be spoken in English, which is logical by the way, considering the films deal with the west in the US.  Smiley  Even the dialogues were especially rewritten in English.  So one could say the Italian versions are not 'the ones' too.  I kind of like the fake-looking dubbing...  It adds flavour to these movies...

But anyway, all no-good dubbings should be forbidden!

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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2003, 11:14:39 AM »

I just wanted to kindly disagree with the concept that a good guy and a bad guy and a ugly guy can't speak in any language but english. This does not interfere with my preference for the original soundtrack, where it is available (for example, I like much better to see Full Metal Jacket in english than my own idiom, that is italian).

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2003, 11:32:28 AM »

There's a German DVD coming out in May search for

Spiel mir das Lied vom Tod
 
on http://www.1a-dvdshop.ch/

This will have an English soundtrack ...... however it's length is 158mins - the Italian cut in the boxset is apparently 175mins ..... not certain I've ever seen this version - can anyone tell me the difference ?

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2003, 06:21:37 PM »

I hope the Paramount DVD will contain that infamous four hour version of OUATITW...

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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2003, 05:03:14 AM »

yes, I bought the box two days ago. In my box I found
two frames of OUTW showing Fonda´s face when he dies on
the ground. The DVD collection is philologically correct as it includes only
the western movies. They are all in 2.35:1 glory, sharp,
very good sound quality. Hurry, they are running out!

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2003, 09:09:58 AM »

yes, I bought the box two days ago. In my box I found
two frames of OUTW showing Fonda´s face when he dies on
the ground. The DVD collection is philologically correct as it includes only
the western movies. They are all in 2.35:1 glory, sharp,
very good sound quality. Hurry, they are running out!


In my frames there is Frank with the harmonica in the mouth when he dies... in the first is alone and in the second there is also Armonica with him...

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2003, 04:42:47 PM »

 Cool now, now, remember, cool is cool in any language. Cool

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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2003, 09:38:27 AM »

Cool news about the DVD Special Features! Grin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/03/03/alex_cox_98_article.shtml

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2003, 10:47:29 AM »



This will have an English soundtrack ...... however it's length is 158mins - the Italian cut in the boxset is apparently 175mins ..... not certain I've ever seen this version - can anyone tell me the difference ?

I think the difference is that the bar scene is cut out.  I went to a retrospective (is that an English word?) of OUTIW and it missed the scene.  Yes, I know, shameful. Undecided

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2003, 09:04:47 AM »

I hope the Paramount DVD will contain that infamous four hour version of OUATITW...

Is there a four hour version? Huh

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2003, 05:11:38 AM »

I think the difference is that the bar scene is cut out.  I went to a retrospective (is that an English word?) of OUTIW and it missed the scene.  Yes, I know, shameful. Undecided

I sure hope not.  Though it's pointless plotwise, I love the bar scene myself.

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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2003, 09:15:40 AM »

Yeah, I think the movie stands on 3 great scenes: the opening, the final shootout and the bar scene.  I like it as much as the other two.  Though I must disagree with you as you say that the scene it pointless plotwise.  It is the scene where three of the main characters meet and it sets the relationship between the three.  So you should watch it without that scene, and you should know why the scene is necessary (to certain extense).

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