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« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2013, 06:42:32 PM »

if that screencap comparison is accurate, it looks to me like the MGM version has much better color; the Mondo version is much hazier.

However, I don't remember the image being nearly as grainy as these caps show


btw, I only saw a few minutes of the Mondo version, does anyone know if it's the same version of the movie as the MGM one, or are there are additional scenes/shots?  is the beating scene identical?

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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2013, 10:02:50 AM »

btw, I only saw a few minutes of the Mondo version, does anyone know if it's the same version of the movie as the MGM one, or are there are additional scenes/shots?  is the beating scene identical?

No it's not exactly the same version. For further information, please take a look here:
UK BD - Italian BD: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=558168
IT BD - German TV Version: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=564548
UK DVD - German DVD: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=3716


BTW the release date of the German BluRays has been postponed to Jan 22nd!

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« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2013, 10:35:17 AM »



BTW the release date of the German BluRays has been postponed to Jan 22nd!
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« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2013, 10:39:16 AM »

Feb 22, 2013 according to amazon.de


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« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2013, 06:27:41 AM »

Yes I meant Feb 22nd of course, sorry for the misinformation!

I received FAFDM today and I have to say I'm impressed. I was only able to take a quick look, but there are a few things I noticed:
- Picture quality: about as grainy and sharp as the MGM BD, colors are in between the MGM BD and the Italian BD, contains a lot of speckles and dirt (don't know how it compares to the MGM BD in that department), my overall impression is that it's far better than the Italian BD. The speckles might be disturbing for many, though.
- The cut: I can confirm that it contains the scene where Eastwood enters the saloon (about 6seconds), which is cut from the MGM version. It seems they inserted this scene from another source, as it is less grainy - maybe from the Italian BD? Don't know... I can't say anything about the beating scene yet.
- The main titles: In English, German main titles are available in the bonus features
- Soundtracks: There's English original mono and a 5.1 upmix, as well as two different German dubs

I guess I will order FAFOD now, as I heard rumours that they took the Italian BD as a source, which is much better than the one MGM used.
Rumours that the FAFDM BD utilizes the Italian master except for the English main titles, as someone suggested on a German forum, are definitely wrong!!!

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« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2013, 08:21:39 AM »

Thanks for the info. Does it appear to be the same master as the Tobis DVD?

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« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2013, 09:37:16 AM »

Further observations!

First of all, these are the releases I will refer to in the following text:
Paramount DVD (Germany, 2005)
MGM BD (US, UK, etc.)
Mondo BD (Italy)
Universum BD (Germany, 2013)
Additionally, there's a remastered version in Germany that usually airs on Kabel1.


This comparison is going to be extremely complicated, as there are so many different remastered versions of FAFDM by now, all of them differing in certain aspects. I hope I can sort all of this out in this post. So...

Here are three screencaps of the Universum BD which you can compare to their MGM BD and Mondo BD counterparts at http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=666#auswahl.
http://s20.postimage.org/5twso1u3x/PDVD_006.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/qn8e3y1f1/PDVD_025.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/3zojk1wh9/PDVD_016.jpg

This should give you an overall impression of the Universum BD.
To show that there are many instances of dirt and speckles, here's one example, look at the sky:
http://s20.postimage.org/kfntcaqwd/PDVD_008.jpg

The main titles stem from an inferior source (in comparison to the main bulk of the movie) on both all releases:
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/wznjds4h9/PDVD_024.jpg
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/tff4y6ca5/PDVD_000.jpg

Unfortunately, the famous quote "Where life has no value..." is translated into German on the Universum BD, and there's no way to view it in English:
http://s20.postimage.org/lynsv0mul/PDVD_023.jpg
On the Mondo BD, it's is missing altogether. I don't have any idea if it has ever been part of the Italian version, I have to admit.

Now let's take a look at the different cuts...
This shot ist cut short on the MGM BD and the Paramount DVD, the Mondo BD does contain it however, as well as the Kabel1 version on German TV. On the new Universum BD, it was inserted in full length from the Mondo BD probably:
http://s20.postimage.org/472zp2sod/PDVD_000.jpg
Another interesting thing is the sound. When Clint raises his head and we can see his head for the first time, thunder roars. On old remastered MGM DVDs and the Paramount DVD, this sound came too early. It was corrected for the MGM BD. However it comes too early on both English soundtracks of the Universum BD, while it is correct on the German soundtracks and also of course on the Italian soundtrack of the Mondo BD.

The longer laughter of Indio is also there on the new Universum BD, ported over from the Mondo BD probably. It is missing on the Paramount DVD and the MGM BD. There's one interesting thing here, though. On the Mondo BD, the whole prison scene starts at night and ends at dawn, while on the other versions, the whole scene takes place at night.
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/tfsewhmzx/PDVD_002.jpg
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/d6ywop3fx/PDVD_002.jpg
I guess they had to filter the scene on the Universum BD in order to adjust it to the rest.

The scene of Clint grabbing the boy is also longer on the Mondo BD and has therefore been inserted on the Universum BD:
http://s20.postimage.org/owg6az54d/PDVD_004.jpg
Please note that the shot I've provided is also part of the other releases, it's just 1,5s of the scene which are longer here.

There's another extended scene, which has also been taken from the Mondo BD in order to make the Universum BD complete:
http://s20.postimage.org/btkjrpewd/PDVD_005.jpg
As before, this shot is also part of the other releases, however in this version the shot is 4,5s longer.
There are strange things going on with the music at the end of this scene.
On the Universum BD, the music is faded out very abruptly on both German soundtracks and the English mono soundtrack. On the English 5.1 upmix, it lingers until the beginning of the next scene and kind of serves as a bridge. On the Italian soundtrack of the Mondo BD, it simply stops before the next scene begins.

And now... the famous beating scene. This is going to be hard to describe...
Fact is, that none of the former releases featured the complete scene. Until now. Combining different sources, the Universum BD is able to present this scene in its complete form for the first time. I'll try to cover the most important aspects of the different versions of this scene, but it is complicated...

Only one little thing is missing on the Mondo BD, it has however been part of the Paramount DVD all along and if I remember correctly also of the MGM BD. It's simply the end of this shot (1s only):
http://s20.postimage.org/6kpittwh9/PDVD_007.jpg

The scene of Indio gettin a grimmer face and Monco being kicked in the back is there in its complete form. It was missing on the MGM BD and parts of if were missing on the Paramount DVD.
http://s20.postimage.org/q92yxild9/PDVD_002_2.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/gpta41xv1/PDVD_003_2.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/j8ez4qjl9/PDVD_004_2.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/ilg2f7mp9/PDVD_006_2.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/qkftwjcfh/PDVD_001_2.jpg

Then, after Indio has jumped off the wall, there was one face shot missing on the Paramount DVD:
http://s20.postimage.org/q2p9ufc8d/PDVD_007_2.jpg
It is part of the Mondo BD, while I think the scene as a whole is missing on the MGM BD.

The shot back to Indio and his comrades stems from an inferior source on all of the releases that contain it, namely the Paramount DVD, the Mondo BD and the Universum BD.
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/ccq57vzql/PDVD_000_2.jpg
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/9gz9vsrl9/PDVD_008.jpg

The end titles, as the main titles, also come from an inferiour source on problably all remastered versions.
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/8zlzs023x/PDVD_017.jpg
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/b7iaxa94d/PDVD_006.jpg

Last but not least, here are several more screencaps from the new Universum BD:
http://s20.postimage.org/nq7kyfrfx/PDVD_001.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/rwx0rigfh/PDVD_009.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/3ug6wmzsd/PDVD_010.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/sc8akj2ct/PDVD_011.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/5c68lxtwt/PDVD_012.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/wba3h3gdp/PDVD_015.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/hj5dpragd/PDVD_018.jpg
http://s20.postimage.org/6ndzuepil/PDVD_021.jpg

To sum up:
I'm totally fine with the picture quality. Although there are so many speckles, the overall quality is still a lot better than the Mondo BD in terms of sharpness, color and contrast. And yes, this really is the first release of this amazing in its uncut form. Finally!!!!
There only two sad things about this release:
- Universum felt they had to translate the "Where life has no value..."-phrase into German
- The thunder sound isn't in its right place when we see Monco for the first time
(And the ugly cover art, probably.)

PS: I'm sorry that the screencaps are not in their original size. I uploaded them at postimage.org which said it wouldn't resize them, but obviously it did. SORRY!

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« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2013, 09:41:33 AM »

Thanks for the info. Does it appear to be the same master as the Tobis DVD?

It contains the Tobis and the MGM logo at the beginning, so I guess yes.

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« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2013, 09:53:03 AM »

It contains the Tobis and the MGM logo at the beginning, so I guess yes.

Thanks for the excellent and in depth analysis Depp91! Afro
Looks like they still haven't got it right though...I'm seriously considering getting my old VHS copy transferred to DVD now.

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« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2013, 10:13:49 AM »

6 years ago, LeoneNut uploaded this video to Youtube of what he called the "full length beating scene" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQp9rnsuEk
In the description, he says that this video is pieced together from various sources; (in some shots, it is not in the proper 2:35:1 aspect ratio; those shots must have been taken from pan-and-scanned versions of the movie).

I know of at least two things you see in this video that is not in the MGM dvd or blu ray disc: A) the shot of TMWNN getting the boot in the back, and B) the bit of dialogue between Indio and Groggy. There may be more.

is it possible for you to compare the scene from this Youtube video to the scene as shown in the German blu ray and the Italian blu ray, and to tell us if the YouTube video is actually identical to the European blu ray disc(s), or in what ways they differ?
 I would really love to know for certain whether there are any additional shots that are missing from this YouTube video, or whether this YouTube video really contains the fullest version of the beating scene. Thanks!

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« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2013, 10:48:59 AM »

6 years ago, LeoneNut uploaded this video to Youtube of what he called the "full length beating scene" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQp9rnsuEk
In the description, he says that this video is pieced together from various sources; (in some shots, it is not in the proper 2:35:1 aspect ratio; those shots must have been taken from pan-and-scanned versions of the movie).

LeoneNut spliced in cut scenes from the 1st edition of the CVC DVD, which is long out of print. The image is cropped (not pan&scan) and of poor quality. This is the only DVD with the full beating scene. More info here: http://forum.spaghetti-western.net/index.php?topic=3094.0

The Mondo BD has nearly all the footage except for approx. 1s (1:10 to 1:11 in youtube vid).

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« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2013, 11:06:29 AM »

LeoneNut spliced in cut scenes from the 1st edition of the CVC DVD, which is long out of print. The image is cropped (not pan&scan) and of poor quality. This is the only DVD with the full beating scene. More info here: http://forum.spaghetti-western.net/index.php?topic=3094.0

The Mondo BD has nearly all the footage except for approx. 1s (1:10 to 1:11 in youtube vid).

so the Youtube vid contains all the available footage from that scene, and the Mondo BD is identical to the Youtube vid except that it is missing 1 second?

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What about the German blu ray? does that have the same version of the beating scene as the Mondo version?

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« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2013, 11:13:30 AM »


There's another extended scene, which has also been taken from the Mondo BD in order to make the Universum BD complete:
http://s20.postimage.org/btkjrpewd/PDVD_005.jpg
As before, this shot is also part of the other releases, however in this version the shot is 4,5s longer.
There are strange things going on with the music at the end of this scene.
On the Universum BD, the music is faded out very abruptly on both German soundtracks and the English mono soundtrack. On the English 5.1 upmix, it lingers until the beginning of the next scene and kind of serves as a bridge. On the Italian soundtrack of the Mondo BD, it simply stops before the next scene begins.



you know how at the end of that scene, the screen fades to black before the next scene -- on the mountaintop -- begins?

On the dvd commentary, Frayling said that at that point, there would have been a break in the Italian theaters; it was customary that they always had an intermission in middle of the movie, and that's where it would have been, at that moment after TMWNN says "if there's gonna be any shooting, I'm gonna have to get my rest," and the scene fades to black, there would have been a break in Italian theaters, before the next scene begins on the mountaintop.


Perhaps that comment by Frayling would explain why on the Italian-language soundtrack of the Mondo BD, the music doesn't serve as a bridge but stops at the end of that scene -- there was no bridge because there was an intermission at that moment!

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« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2013, 11:15:02 AM »

so the Youtube vid contains all the available footage from that scene, and the Mondo BD is identical to the Youtube vid except that it is missing 1 second?

Thanks

What about the German blu ray? does that have the same version of the beating scene as the Mondo version?

That's correct, the Mondo BD has just the (rather unusual) 1s cut. I haven't received the German BD yet so I can't comment on that. depp91 believes it is but to be totally sure it should be compared with the youtube vid.

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« Reply #59 on: February 22, 2013, 11:23:31 AM »

Perhaps that comment by Frayling would explain why on the Italian-language soundtrack of the Mondo BD, the music doesn't serve as a bridge but stops at the end of that scene -- there was no bridge because there was an intermission at that moment!

Very good point.

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