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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2010, 02:29:44 AM »

Westerns were never about authenticity they were amplified reality, basically about legend and myth.

Yes, "supposed" reality was always more a question of atmosphere than of reproduced reality.

I like an "authentic" looking atmosphere in westerns, but don't care if this is really based on facts.

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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2010, 04:07:05 AM »

Yes, "supposed" reality was always more a question of atmosphere than of reproduced reality.

I like an "authentic" looking atmosphere in westerns, but don't care if this is really based on facts.

Its a very nebulous quality that seems to be almost a lost art form.

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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2010, 10:01:30 AM »

Check out the leaked pics of Beau Bridges as Rooster Cogburn in the remake of True Grit. The hat he's wearing is for authenticity. The Duke NEVER wore a hat like that in True Grit. Bridges made the role his own,but no one and I mean no one will ever be able to play Rooster like the Duke did.

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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2010, 12:40:38 PM »

Have to say that I sympathize with Stanton's view, if it actually is historically correct the better but if not - print the legend  Smiley

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2010, 04:04:57 PM »

Check out the leaked pics of Beau Bridges as Rooster Cogburn in the remake of True Grit. The hat he's wearing is for authenticity. The Duke NEVER wore a hat like that in True Grit. Bridges made the role his own,but no one and I mean no one will ever be able to play Rooster like the Duke did.

Can't go by just hats there were a great variety of types and styles worn.

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=7622.0

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2010, 10:14:02 PM »

Bridges is wearing a derby hat unlike the Duke,while playing Rooster. I've talked with some people who like the hat Wayne wore in the film and some like the new version. I prefer the old version. Everyone has their favorites.

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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2010, 04:52:22 AM »

Have to say that I sympathize with Stanton's view, if it actually is historically correct the better but if not - print the legend  Smiley

There has got to be a balance between the real and the legend, too historically correct comes off as a boring costume historical drama period piece, with actors using archaic speech, too action oriented has actors running across roof rafters, too politically correct has no obvious ethnic villains, heroes who are "Peace, Love, Dove, "I'll only kill you twice if I have too" Environmentalists, and actors not smoking, too political has various thinly veiled messages woven into the plots.

Westerns were about Myth and Legend. I think there are too many agendas out there to be able to make a real Western these days.

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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2010, 06:18:57 AM »

Bridges is wearing a derby hat unlike the Duke,while playing Rooster. I've talked with some people who like the hat Wayne wore in the film and some like the new version. I prefer the old version. Everyone has their favorites.
Not sure about the hat, but here's Portis's description of Cogburn:
". . . I was surprised when an old one-eyed jasper that was built along the limes of Grover Cleveland went up and was sworn. I say "old." He was about forty years of age. The floor boards squeeked under his weight. He was wearing a dusty black suit of clothes and when he sat down I saw that his badge was on his vest. It was a little silver circle with a star in it. He had a mustache like Cleveland too."

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2013, 07:01:12 PM »

Is it unfair to compare all the westerns I see to Sergio Leone's westerns? To me, the guy sets the benchmark.

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