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« #15 : August 05, 2014, 02:07:37 AM »

Yesterday, I watched more than 5.5 hours of the movie (my first viewing ). What can you say? Insane insane stuff  :'(


I just saw the next few hours of the movie – until the end of Jan Karski's interview – I have another hour and five minutes, which I'll watch later today. What can you say? When I watched the first few hours a year ago, I couldn't stoop thinking about it for a long time afterward ... I'm sure I'll feel the same way after today ....

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« #16 : August 05, 2014, 09:59:24 AM »

I just saw the next few hours of the movie – until the end of Jan Karski's interview – I have another hour and five minutes, which I'll watch later today. What can you say? When I watched the first few hours a year ago, I couldn't stoop thinking about it for a long time afterward ... I'm sure I'll feel the same way after today ....
When you're finally done, you can spend another 4 hours on this: http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Unjust-Documentary/dp/B00KZKWQ4I/ref=pd_sim_sbs_mov_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0ED48TAVSGJA2W004T05



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« #17 : August 05, 2014, 02:55:13 PM »

When you're finally done, you can spend another 4 hours on this: http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Unjust-Documentary/dp/B00KZKWQ4I/ref=pd_sim_sbs_mov_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0ED48TAVSGJA2W004T05

yes, I read there are 4 feature-length documentaries that Lanzmann made from the outtakes of Shoah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah_%28film%29#Outtakes

the other three (besides the newest one, which you linked to) are available on the Criterion DVD/BRD.


RE: Lanzmann initially only releasing the first half of Karski's interview, and later the second half, here is a nice article that discusses it http://www.theguardian.com/film/2011/jun/09/claude-lanzmann-shoah-holocaust-documentary
BTW, USC's Shoah Foundation has a bunch of Holocaust Survivor/Witness Testimonies available on YouTube, here is Jan Karski's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iTbL2idhQ

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« #18 : February 21, 2016, 05:52:06 PM »

The last survivor of Treblinka passed away on Friday

http://hamodia.com/2016/02/20/last-survivor-of-treblinka-passes-away/

Only 67 prisoners survived the death camp in which 875,000 people were killed


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« #19 : July 31, 2017, 09:33:48 PM »

Since we last discussed Shoah, Masters of Cinema has released a BRD boxset of the movie. Comparison by Beaver here http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film4/blu-ray_reviews_59/shoah_blu-ray.htm

I'll summarize as best I can, based on Beaver's page, the differences between the Criterion and the Masters of Cinema:


--- Criterion is Region A. MoC is Region B


--- Lanzmann later made 4 documentaries from the outtakes of Shoah. They are: A Visitor from the Living; Sobibór, October 14, 1943, 4PMThe Karski Report; and The Last of the Unjust . Only the first 3 are included in the Criterion. All 4 are included in the MoC.

--- The Criterion has a bunch of other bonus videos. To quote Beaver: We also get a new 1-hour conversation between Lanzmann and critic Serge Toubiana director of the Cinematheque Francaise. They sat down together in January 2013 to discuss his epic work. There is a second interview with Lanzmann - this one from 2003 about A Visitor from the Living and Sobibór with writer Helene Frappat. It runs 14-minutes. There is a new, 2013, 1/2 hour interview with Caroline Champetier, assistant camera person on Shoah (and who supervised the color timing on this restoration), and filmmaker Arnaud Desplechin who has written about the films of Claude Lanzmann.

The MoC does not have any of those bonus videos.

--- As for physical bonus materials, to quote Beaver, Criterion has "a liner notes booklet featuring an essay by critic Kent Jones and writings by Lanzmann," and MoC has "a 300-page liner notes book containing writing on all of the films." I'm not sure the difference between the two.


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« #20 : August 01, 2017, 06:53:42 AM »

I'm not sure the difference between the two.
I'd guess about 250 pages.



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« #21 : July 09, 2018, 09:06:03 PM »

Claude Lanzmann has passed away at the age of 92.

Rest in peace.

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« #22 : July 10, 2018, 07:01:12 AM »

At some point I will have to watch this thing.



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« #23 : July 10, 2018, 08:08:32 AM »

Yes, me too. The Criterion set has been sitting on my shelf for some time now. Maybe this is the summer. . . ?



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« #24 : July 10, 2018, 08:19:42 AM »

I've watched about 4 hours of it and pretty much figured "ok I get the point". It was very good. Maybe I'll give it another go one day...

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« #25 : July 10, 2018, 07:58:51 PM »

Obituaries:

NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/obituaries/claude-lanzmann-dead.html

The New Yorker: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/postscript/claude-lanzmann-changed-the-history-of-filmmaking-with-shoah

Variety: https://variety.com/2018/film/global/claude-lanzmann-shoah-dead-dies-92-1202865539/

UK Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jul/08/claude-lanzmann-survivors-champion-shoah-holocaust-documentary

The Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/claude-lanzmann-chronicler-of-the-holocaust-and-director-of-shoah-dies-at-92/2018/07/05/07ea1850-805e-11e8-b660-4d0f9f0351f1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.832b6d354341

NPR: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/05/626097137/shoah-filmmaker-claude-lanzmann-seeker-of-truths-without-name-dies-at-92

AP/ The Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/claude-lanzmann-acclaimed-director-of-documentary-shoah-dies-at-92/




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« #26 : July 10, 2018, 08:05:18 PM »

Lanzmann's final film, "Four Sisters," about 4 women who survived the Holocaust, was released shortly before his death, in French cinemas

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/four-sisters-hippocratic-oath-review-1078648

https://www.filmlinc.org/nyff2017/films/four-sisters-baluty/


It's yet another film made from the unused material compiled for "Shoah."


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« #27 : July 10, 2018, 08:17:45 PM »

do the supplements include the rest of the Jan Karski interview? I read somewhere that Lanzmann recently released the rest of that interview, calling it "The Karski Report." Is it all included on the Criterion dvd or blu ray?

Note: "The Karski Report" can be viewed for free here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ7Y1dc6sbQ

Just to summarize what we've discussed and linked to above: Lanzmann interviewed Polish Resistance hero Jan Karski over a two-day period. he only included the first day's interview in "Shoah." The second day's interview he only released years later as a separate film; it is called "The Karski Report" and is included as a supplement on the BRD. And can be viewed here for free, as part of a presentation in Israel.

Note: If you want to skip the speaker introduction, start the video at 6:15 - that is where Lanzmann's opening remarks begin, and IMO that is important, for he explains here why he did not include this part of the Karski interview in "Shoah." Then the movie ends at 1:05:11, followed by Q&A, but I'd shut it off there. The Q&A is not very interesting, and in fact is somewhat cringe-worthy, as Lanzmann IMO does not seem to properly understand some audience questions. So I'd just watch the video from 6:15 until 1:05:11

It is best to watch this video only after you've seen the initial interview in "Shoah." It is available on YouTube here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0stF1Rld3Q

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« #28 : July 10, 2018, 11:43:58 PM »

Shoah is available for free on Arte's apps for the summer (at least in France).



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