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« #15 : November 19, 2013, 06:58:55 AM »


The runtime will be then 157 min, which means the addional last flashback is included.
I assume this is the long flashback, not the short one.



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« #16 : November 19, 2013, 02:43:34 PM »

Long one? Short one? Never heard about different ones.


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« #17 : November 19, 2013, 04:57:05 PM »

Probably yes, as they used the mono version for their English audio track, and not the fake 5.1. sound of the MGM release.

The runtime will be then 157 min, which means the addional last flashback is included. Even if then it is actually not a Leone approved version from 1971, cause the theatrical cut did not include that scene. But of course DYS is better with that scene.

when I said "audio," I wasn't referring to mono vs. 5.1; I was actually referring to the music and dialogue, cuz as we've discussed extensively in the "DYS soundtrack comparison" thread, the different dvd's have different music and dialogue in certain spots


RE: the final flashback: if they do include the flashback, that is definitely the Leone-approved version. Leone wanted that flashback in, Frayling says the distributor (I think in Italy?) cut it cuz they believed people wouldn't stay through that whole flashback; they'd think the movie was ending and walk out. (Not sure why they would think that....) But Leone definitely wanted that in


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« #18 : November 19, 2013, 07:34:10 PM »

Further info at:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=8410562&postcount=32

This sounds great!

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« #19 : November 19, 2013, 09:54:46 PM »

did it say anything about region codes?


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« #20 : November 20, 2013, 02:24:09 AM »

did it say anything about region codes?

No but I wouldn't be surprised either way.  Several people have ordered it and hopefully one of them will confirm whether it is region locked or region free.

 

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« #21 : November 20, 2013, 03:05:19 AM »

when I said "audio," I wasn't referring to mono vs. 5.1; I was actually referring to the music and dialogue, cuz as we've discussed extensively in the "DYS soundtrack comparison" thread, the different dvd's have different music and dialogue in certain spots

Yes, but that's only happening in the 5.1 audio from MGM. I think the Original English mono audio got it right. Apart from altered noises (like gunshots etc) for a 5.1 sound, which should be forbidden, the other changes are minor stuff for me.

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RE: the final flashback: if they do include the flashback, that is definitely the Leone-approved version. Leone wanted that flashback in, Frayling says the distributor (I think in Italy?) cut it cuz they believed people wouldn't stay through that whole flashback; they'd think the movie was ending and walk out. (Not sure why they would think that....) But Leone definitely wanted that in

I also think that Leone wanted it in, but he allowed the film to be released without it. And I doubt that it was the distributor's decision.

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« #22 : November 20, 2013, 06:22:42 AM »

Yes, but that's only happening in the 5.1 audio from MGM. I think the Original English mono audio got it right. Apart from altered noises (like gunshots etc) for a 5.1 sound, which should be forbidden, the other changes are minor stuff for me.


the different musical is minor stuff for you????? That's major stuff for me. Especially in the final flashback, where, as we discussed extensively in the soundtrack comparison thread, (in my opinion and the opinion of many others) the interpretation of that scene is very different depending on whether the music stops and then starts again once Nolan starts kissing the girl, or if it flows straight: if the former, Sean is not happy with the situation; if the latter, he is.

There's also some change in dialogue (eg. just before Sean lights the dynamite to save Juan from the firing squad, Sean says either "duck, you sucker" in one version and  "short fuse" in another. Also, there's some cursing that is scrubbed in one version.

Also, I don't believe we ever resolved in that thread which version was correct.... so it's not like I can say, "I hope they do Version X and not Version Y," cuz I don't know which is correct. I just hope they use the correct music!

I believe that post on blu-ray.com said they are using a 1971 positive to get the color right.... what about the audio? where are they getting that from?... My guess is that the reason for the differentiation in music of the final flashback is because that final flashback was cut on initial release, so when it was later put back for the dvd, maybe the original soundtrack for that scene didn't survive?.... Also, on initial theatrical release, was the final flashback cut in ALL countries, or did it play in some countries? I'm hoping there is still an original, full print of the movie from 1971 that has all the correct music...


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« #23 : November 20, 2013, 01:34:15 PM »

the different musical is minor stuff for you????? That's major stuff for me. Especially in the final flashback, where, as we discussed extensively in the soundtrack comparison thread, (in my opinion and the opinion of many others) the interpretation of that scene is very different depending on whether the music stops and then starts again once Nolan starts kissing the girl, or if it flows straight: if the former, Sean is not happy with the situation; if the latter, he is.

There's a lot of interpretation necessary to see a difference for this scene. I do not see it, or hear it. I hear slightly different music. And I would never have noticed it without reading about it.
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There's also some change in dialogue (eg. just before Sean lights the dynamite to save Juan from the firing squad, Sean says either "duck, you sucker" in one version and  "short fuse" in another. Also, there's some cursing that is scrubbed in one version.

For that, I never watched DYS in English, and will probably never do. But it would maybe something I would notice. But still, minor stuff. I also did not care much for the missing seconds (which are now restored) on the FAFDM DVDs.

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Also, I don't believe we ever resolved in that thread which version was correct.... so it's not like I can say, "I hope they do Version X and not Version Y," cuz I don't know which is correct. I just hope they use the correct music!

I believe that post on blu-ray.com said they are using a 1971 positive to get the color right.... what about the audio? where are they getting that from?... My guess is that the reason for the differentiation in music of the final flashback is because that final flashback was cut on initial release, so when it was later put back for the dvd, maybe the original soundtrack for that scene didn't survive?.... Also, on initial theatrical release, was the final flashback cut in ALL countries, or did it play in some countries? I'm hoping there is still an original, full print of the movie from 1971 that has all the correct music...

I think it was never shown anywhere until the restoration was done in Italy in the mid-90s. And then later also added to the MGM version.

The correct audio is the one from the Italian version. Wasn't that already clarified which is the correct one and which not? Ain't it only the 5.1 version which has some discrepancies?


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« #24 : November 20, 2013, 04:27:46 PM »



The correct audio is the one from the Italian version. Wasn't that already clarified which is the correct one and which not? Ain't it only the 5.1 version which has some discrepancies?

maybe.

but there was major debate over which music was correct - and IMO, getting the music correct is more important than the gunshots or minor bits of dialogue


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« #25 : November 20, 2013, 04:45:01 PM »

Yes, but that depends on how much was changed. The ending of the Paramount OUTW, that's a big change, but I remember that when I compared some of the different music parts for Giu la testa (the pup scene) that it sounded not that different. Of course it should be the way it was originally made.


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« #26 : November 20, 2013, 05:06:10 PM »

I wish it was all available exactly as Leone wanted it.

Once you said you'd rather have dialogue correct than audio, I'm just responding that (in this particular situation - nothing to do with OUATITW or any other movie), if I could only have one thing corrected, it would be the final music. But again, I wish everything was correct.


Now, here is a question I have - which I am sure is discussed in the "soundtrack comparison" thread but I am too lazy to check through all 7 pages, so I hope someone has an easy answer: if only the MGM dvd has the final flashback, then where does the other version of the flashback and music come from? The European dvd (which had the other dialogue, the curses, etc.) did that have the final flashback?

Also, were there any musical discrepancies between the two versions other than the last scene?


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« #27 : November 21, 2013, 02:44:40 AM »

A whole bunch of Leone movies are being released in Italy on Blu-ray on Dec 5, 2013, including Colossus of Rhodes.

http://www.amazon.it/Il-colosso-di-Rodi...

http://www.amazon.it/Per-qualche-dollaro-in-pi...

http://www.amazon.it/Il-buono-brutto-cattivo...

http://www.amazon.it/Cera-una-volta-il-west...

http://www.amazon.it/Giu-la-testa...

  

Chris, how about you make a separate thread for each of the above movies, in that movie's board; that way, we can discuss each individual brd separately, rather than discussing them all in this thread in the DYS board. Thanks  :)


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« #28 : November 21, 2013, 04:25:24 AM »

Chris, how about you make a separate thread for each of the above movies, in that movie's board; that way, we can discuss each individual brd separately, rather than discussing them all in this thread in the DYS board. Thanks  :)

There's not much info yet about COR but if none of them apart from DYS have English audio, I don't think I'll be contributing much to the discussions.    :-\

 

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« #29 : November 21, 2013, 05:53:29 AM »

okay, I made a separate thread in each movie's board.

Once the brd's are released and more info comes out, there's probably going to be some discussion on each one, and IMO it's better to have a separate thread where each can be discussed  :)

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