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« #150 : May 21, 2023, 03:41:20 AM »

It is one of the reasons that DYS is not a powerful film. There are others.

It is incredibly powerful though so you're wrong, again.


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« #151 : May 21, 2023, 09:15:40 AM »

That shouldn?t distract you from the fact this is one the most powerful movies ever made, though.
I agree one hundred percent! It's the one Leone film that is genuinely moving. Its really Morricone' s music that makes the film so effective.


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« #152 : May 21, 2023, 09:57:53 AM »

I agree one hundred percent! It's the one Leone film that is genuinely moving. Its really Morricone' s music that makes the film so effective.

It also has some scenes specifically designed to move you, like the trucks scene under the rain.


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« #153 : May 21, 2023, 10:08:26 AM »

For me Leone films were never really moving, and that's quite a problem for OuTA. But not for DYS, not for his other westerns. The problems for DYS are that I don't think that Leone really was interested in making it, and that shows. DYS shows how much he had developed his style since Fod (or that Pompeji film), but it lacks the brilliance of its 2 predecessors. A brilliance I can find at least in several scene of his early westerns, as a result I prefer the first 2 Dollar films to DYS. Not to mention MNIN ...
With DYS Leone was not longer ahead of the other SWs, for the first time he made something others had already successfully made before him.

Ohh, I forgot, Cheyenne's death, that was moving to a certain degree. Apart from that I always hope that LvC and Fonda win their final duels in GBU and OuTW, but it is not exactly moving that they don't do.


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« #154 : May 21, 2023, 10:13:09 AM »

For me Leone films were never really moving, and that's quite a problem for OuTA. But not for DYS, not for his other westerns.

Somebody please ban this communazi.
I strongly disagree: FFDM, OUATITW, DYS and OUATIA are deeply moving but only if you aren't a psycho or a robot. Even GBU has its moments (as well as MNIN of course).

The problems for DYS are that I don't think that Leone really was interested in making it, and that shows. DYS shows how much he had developed his style since Fod (or that Pompeji film), but it lacks the brilliance of its 2 predecessors. A brilliance I can find at least in several scene of his early westerns, as a result I prefer the first 2 Dollar films to DYS.

I am convinced you wouldn't think that had Tonino Delli Colli been in charge of the cinematography of DYS.


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« #155 : May 21, 2023, 10:21:06 AM »



I am convinced you wouldn't think that had Tonino Delli Colli been in charge of the cinematography of DYS.

No, surely not.
I have no problems with the photography of DYS, and the DoPs are unlike the directors barely responsible for a films greatness, unless they did the director's job. What sometimes happens.


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« #156 : May 21, 2023, 10:24:41 AM »

No, surely not.
I have no problems with the photography of DYS, and the DoPs are unlike the directors barely responsible for a films greatness, unless they did the director's job. What sometimes happens.

I know that's what you believe but you're seriously mistaken on this one. The history of cinema proves you wrong. More precisely, here, DYS is greatly hurt by this (especially given the way it was produced, as we know)


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« #157 : May 21, 2023, 11:56:59 AM »

It is incredibly powerful though so you're wrong, again.
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« #158 : May 21, 2023, 01:27:23 PM »

Are folks here REALLY judging the quality of DYS by who the DOP was?
Gimme an effing break! >:(


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« #159 : May 21, 2023, 11:59:23 PM »

Are folks here REALLY judging the quality of DYS by who the DOP was?
Gimme an effing break! >:(

It goes the other way around. Most people, including very knowledgable movie people, unerestimate how the technical stuff impacts their viewing experience. I'm convinced many people including Stanton are buggued by something in DYS that they cannot put their finger on and it turns out it's the cinematography. More precisely the lighting.


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« #160 : May 22, 2023, 02:09:18 AM »

No, it surely has not much to do with what DoP can improve or not. For me DYS and Nobody look as good as GBU and OuTW, which looks  better than GBU, and all look better than FoD and FaFDM.

What's wrong is that the film has some storytelling problems in the first half, DYS has a length problem, and the 2 big action scenes (bridge and train) are mediocre, and the characters are not that interesting. The overdone western stuff works here less well than in his "real" westerns.

DyS was underrated for some decades, and becomes now an overrated film for the pure fact that the name of the director is Leone. It would be a footnote in film history if the exact same film would have been credited to Santi.

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« #161 : May 22, 2023, 04:54:49 AM »

No, it surely has not much to do with what DoP can improve or not. For me DYS and nobody look as good as GBU and OuTW, which looks  better than GBU, and all look better than FoD and FaFDM.

What's wrong is that the film has some storytelling problems in the first half, DYS has a length problem, and the 2 big action scenes (bridge and train) are mediocre, and the characters are not that that interesting. The overdone western stuff works here less well thanin his "real" westerns.

DyS was underrated for some decades, and becomes now an overrated film for the pure fact that the name of the director is Leone. It would be a footnote in film history if the exact same film would have been credited to Santi.

I think it has more to do with the various factors involved before production. Leone originally wanted Wallach as Juan, when that didn't happen didn't he try to have Valeri direct it then when the investors balked about that had to step in? I don't over rate it. My Leone Line up goes GBU, OUTITW and FAFDM, then the rest OUTIA, DYS, AFFOD, COR.


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« #162 : May 22, 2023, 07:48:27 AM »

It goes the other way around. Most people, including very knowledgable movie people, unerestimate how the technical stuff impacts their viewing experience. I'm convinced many people including Stanton are buggued by something in DYS that they cannot put their finger on and it turns out it's the cinematography. More precisely the lighting.

I agree with the first statement here. I think you?re being a tad harsh on Giuseppe Ruzzolini here though.

I was watching an interesting interview with Roger Deakins the other day where he said it was a shame Alex Cox stopped making big budget stuff. There?s still time for him to pair up with Deakins again though. Unfortunately not with Robby M?ller anymore though.

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« #163 : May 22, 2023, 07:55:52 AM »

He wanted his assistant Giancarlo Santi as director,  but who then should direct DYS like Leone wanted the film to be directed. He wanted to be the producer who controls a film, like Selznick did with Gone with the Wind. He then was forced after protests by the actors, especially by Steiger, to direct the film officially. Some think that this was what he intended from the beginning on.

He then tried this producer-as-the-real-creative-force thing again with MNIN.


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« #164 : May 22, 2023, 10:04:07 AM »

That whole troubled prep work is responsible for most of the flaws of the movie (the other flaw being Leone not being as smart as he thought he was politically speaking). But those flaws are greatly increased, not by a bad cinematography, but by the lack of the greatest daylight cinematographer of that time. Delli Colli would have soften the rough edges and immensely decreased the feeling of "overal mess" that comes with that movie.


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