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« #15 : January 07, 2014, 11:54:11 PM »

Let's celebrate the diversity.

A gay subtext?


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« #16 : January 08, 2014, 02:27:24 AM »

and that scene with Angel Eyes at the fort is absolutely vital, I can't imagine why in hell that was deleted.

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« #17 : January 08, 2014, 08:02:43 PM »

Cusser: on the list of things that bother you, you didn't mention the automobiles that somehow make their way into the Civil War. You okay with that?  ;)


Don't you know that Tuco invented the automobile? 

Yes, I also know dynamite was not thought to be invented at time of the Civil War, but Tuco invented that as well.

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« #18 : February 22, 2014, 11:34:02 AM »

"Every gun makes it own tune"?  Really? After Tuco busted his when he jumped off the train with Wallace?

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« #19 : February 22, 2014, 04:52:25 PM »

"Every gun makes it own tune"?  Really? After Tuco busted his when he jumped off the train with Wallace?

We covered this extensively a while back It's the very first thread check it out: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2334.msg20993#msg20993

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« #20 : February 22, 2014, 06:47:22 PM »

I checked it out.  Seems to be some sort of consensus of a pattern of shots if I understand the gist of it. 

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« #21 : February 23, 2014, 03:31:03 PM »

I checked it out.  Seems to be some sort of consensus of a pattern of shots if I understand the gist of it. 

Yes according to the script that was the gist of the original dialog. The dubbing makes the change.


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« #22 : June 15, 2019, 03:28:24 AM »

Then you misunderstood me. I'm for the longer version. But without the cave scene, which means the Italian version.

The fort scene is good for the rhythm and it brings Sentenza back in the film, who is without this scene too long away. And it the only scene which shows some human emotions from him. But on the other hand the scene where he suddenly shows up in the prison camp is more effective in the 161 min version.

The scene in which Blondie and Sentenza camp at night is one I would cut out. Superfluous, and it looks bad. Probably the weakest scene in the film. And then there is a short piece in which Tuco asks for the way to the mission, this one is superfluous too. But I like all the other scenes. And that short part with the drunk Captain is great.

So my perfect version runs 171 min. I call it the Stanton cut.

I agree with your cut, but usually I just watch the regular 161 cut if I'm watching it.


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« #23 : June 15, 2019, 07:54:03 AM »

Stanton: "The scene in which Blondie and Sentenza camp at night is one I would cut out. Superfluous, and it looks bad."

Agree.


Stanton: "And then there is a short piece in which Tuco asks for the way to the mission, this one is superfluous too."

No, I like this.  Tuco was obviously in the middle of nowhere, and this shows how he got to Mission San Antonio and his brother.

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« #24 : June 15, 2019, 04:57:41 PM »

It's also the opportunity for a great cameo.



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« #25 : June 26, 2019, 10:13:01 PM »

I agree with your cut, but usually I just watch the regular 161 cut if I'm watching it.

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« #26 : June 27, 2019, 01:06:09 AM »

Tuco was obviously in the middle of nowhere, and this shows how he got to Mission San Antonio and his brother.

Yeah, but I think this is rather unimportant too know. The scene is nit necessary for the story, it is for me just another one dealing with the civil war background, only that it has not much too tell.

And I like the direct cutting to the mission. And that Tuco has not chosen this mission by accident is apparent in that moment when he asks for his brother. And that is all info I need for the narrative.

And for me the rhythm of the film, the flow of the scenes suffers from that short scene, even in its shortness. And that is also the main reason why the cave scene and the camp scene are problematic, and the other way round why the scene with Sentenza is good for the film.


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« #27 : June 30, 2019, 09:43:33 PM »

Wish I could program a dvd like a CD.
I would add Sentence scene and the slightly longer scenes with the drunk captain to the 161 minute version. Anyone figure what the running time would be with those additions?


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