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« on: November 21, 2014, 08:00:24 AM »

Three women who have been driven mad by pioneer life are to be transported across the country by covered wagon by the pious, independent-minded Mary Bee Cuddy, who in turn employs low-life drifter George Briggs to assist her.

Starring and directed by Tommy Lee Jones

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2014, 09:00:43 AM »

Yeah, but is it any good?

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2015, 05:54:47 AM »

The Homesman - Tommy Lee Jones

A very reduced western, similar to Kelly Reichardt's Meek's Cutoff, which shows the west in a way that might be authentic, or at least it seems more authentic than any other western. And both are about women, both are not foreseeable, both give a damn about mainstream audience expectations. In The Homesman (not exactly sure what the term could mean) the women lose their mind or every hope due to the dismal life in the west, in Meek's Cutoff at least one women turns to be stronger than the men in view of the difficult circumstances.

Both 8/10

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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2015, 08:20:46 AM »

This looks good.

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2015, 07:10:02 AM »

And it really does look good and feel authentic and true to the WW as much as I'm inclined to believe, still, I have some regards, mostly due to TLJ's character. Because you really do know what he's gonna do in the end. Part of the sincerity and authenticity gets sacrificed for that part of the plot to flow. Yet again, he never was supposed to be a complete SOB... I don't know, I'll give it a careful re-visit in the future, but right now it's flirting with a 7/10 in my book.

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2017, 09:58:03 AM »

Yeah, but is it any good?

Yes, its good. In fact, i think its one of the most underrated Westerns that has come out since Unforgiven.  I'm surprised its not talked about more on this forum.  First, its not your typical shoot them up Western. If you go into it without expecting that, you will be ok. Its really something a mature Clint Eastwood would have done later in his career. I'm not gonna give any spoilers.  Check it out, its definitely worth a watch...

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 04:40:18 PM »

I don't know why this movie doesn't get more reviews. Its better than a lot of westerns i have seen...

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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2017, 01:21:39 AM »

I don't know why this movie doesn't get more reviews. Its better than a lot of westerns i have seen...

I'll gladly add mine.

Three crazy women for five weeks is a lot more than I bargained for.

The Homesman is directed by Tommy Lee Jones, who also co-adapts the screenplay from Glendon Swarthout's novel with Kieran Fitzgerald and Wesley A. Oliver. It stars Jones, Hilary Swank, Grace Gummer, Miranda Otto and Sonja Richter. Music is by Marco Beltrami and cinematography by Rodrigo Prieto.

Three women who have been driven mad by pioneer life are to be transported East across the country to Iowa. When the men of the town refuse to stand up and be counted, single, pious and independent-minded Mary Bee Cuddy (Swank), enrols for the task. Recruiting scallywag drifter George Briggs (Jones) to aid the journey, it becomes an arduous journey that will make or break both of them.

The Homesman is a tricky Western, revisionist of heart and blood, and grim in nature, it's got a narrative that has (and will continue to do so) invited criticism from different quarters. It has been called misogynistic on one side of the fence, and feminist on the other! While there is a humongous narrative jump that has been lauded as great from some, and a film killer by others. The truth is that only each viewer can judge from their own personal perspectives. Personally I think that Jones has blended both the former angles to perfection, whilst the latter issue is to me an outstanding and brave piece of film.

The life of the pioneer women is shatteringly brought into sharp focus, right from the off there's brutality blended with utter sadness as Jones the director cuts no corners in setting up the film. Big question then hits us in the face - just how did the Old West deal with those suffering mental disturbance? In this instance it's to pack them off to the East where they will be tended by a minister and his wife (the latter of which played by Meryl Streep in little more than a cameo). The three women are vividly portrayed by Otto, Gummer and Richter, but this aspect of the film is only a side-bar to the crux of the story.

This is of course about Mary Cuddy and George Briggs, a man and woman at total different ends of the spectrum. She's sad at being alone without a man, he's more than happy to be without a woman. Everything suggests that this is going to be "one of those films" where opposites find a soul mate, but Jones and his backers may not be reverting to type? I mean for a start how interesting to find this journey going from West to East, that says much about the film right there, a pioneer journey in reverse. While the prominent ladies here may be mad, abused or needy, you will be searching far and wide for a decent man in this here tale.

The landscapes are deftly photographed by Prieto, eye opening but never to the detriment of the narrative thrust of pioneer hardship. Betrami lays ethereal piano and string arrangements all over the piece, while joining Streep in short bursts of cameo characterisations are James Spader, John Lithgow, William Fitchner, Hailee Steinfeld and Tim Blake Nelson, that's quite an armoury of performers. Even if you can't help but want more from them all.

But it's Swank and Jones, a superb pairing, who give the grade "A" performances. Jones lifts his old cantankerous ruffian character to greater heights, making Briggs the anti-hero to the anti-hero. While Swank hasn't been this great for a long time, making Mary Cuddy strong and inspiring, yet also evidently suffering inner turmoil. Swank's turn epitomises The Homesman, shrewd and insightful, humane and heartfelt. Top stuff all round, it's great to see modern directors confident enough to make biting moody Westerns. 9/10

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2017, 02:55:57 PM »

That was a great right up spikeopath. Like i said earlier in this thread,  i don't get why this movie isn't talked about more.  Since Unforgiven came out, i think this movie and the remake of the original 3:10 to Yuma were pretty good westerns.  The Revenant is pretty good also...

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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2017, 08:50:44 AM »

That was a great right up spikeopath. Like i said earlier in this thread,  i don't get why this movie isn't talked about more.  Since Unforgiven came out, i think this movie and the remake of the original 3:10 to Yuma were pretty good westerns.  The Revenant is pretty good also...

I haven't seen it yet, I sort of got turned off by all these misfire efforts to remake the genre, even your " i think this movie and the remake of the original 3:10 to Yuma were pretty good westerns" is a BIG WARNING SIGN to me. I'll check and see if it's on Netflix, no way will I ever buy any recently made Western sight unseen.

Westerns Worth a Shit: The post 1980 Westerns that I've seen that I thought were either Good to OK but flawed (there are of course some more that may make the list if I catch them)

The Long Riders (1980) good still has a "Golden Age" feel.

Tom Horn (1980) good still has a "Golden Age" feel.

Death Hunt (1981) good early 1900's "End of the West" Great White North Western.

The Grey Fox (1982) good "End of the West" Western.

Lonesome Dove (1989) miniseries good - the non PC "pokeable" town whore Lorena makes it special though bad guy Blue Duck should have been a stronger part.

Unforgiven (1992) works because of Eastwood.

Geronimo: An American Legend (1993) OK - flawed should have told Geronimo's story.

Tombstone (1993) good - hats look a bit right out of the hatbox stupid though.

Legends of the Fall (1994) OK early 1900's "End of the West" Western/Drama.

Wyatt Earp (1994) Good but a bit too talky - Quaid's Doc Holiday looks more believable than Kilmer's in Tombstone.

And Starring Pancho Villa as Himself (2003) OK- flawed Zapata Western with Hollywood angle.

Open Range (2003) OK but the "Range" in Alberta Canada was a bit too green.

Blueberry-Renegade (2004) Good a modern Spaghetti Western feel to it with a shaman Native American "peyote hallucination" (this one got panned by the fans of the Blueberry Comic strip for not following the comic, but if you weren't familiar with it and see it cold turkey it's good.)

The Proposition (2005) Good "Down Under" Aussie Western. it works.

3:10 to Yuma (2007) OK effort but with contemporary PC inserts and plenty of WTF were they thinking flaws.

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (2007) Good but flawed, looks good but it has these WTF, ridiculous, can't hit the broadside of a barn shootouts with legendary outlaws who like the ranchers I knew out West would spend a lot of their leisure time target shooting.

Appaloosa (2008) OK you just get the feeling that if a John Wayne or Jimmy Stewart made an appearance they would just blow everyone else away with just their presence, but its worth a look.
 
The Good, the Bad, the Weird (2008) Good a Spaghetti-Manchurian Eastern with an "End of the West" Western feel.

True Grit (2010) Good, better than original and filmed in more correct looking landscapes.

Django Unchained (2012) Good A Spaghetti-ish-Southern but flawed ending.

The Salvation (2014) Good a modern Spaghetti Western.

Bone Tomahawk (2015) Good but a cop out, this is what happens in this fucked up overly sensitive let's not offend anyone PC world today, the Neanderthals substitute for Native Americans who did exactly all the same brutal tortures, and butcherings depicted. Movies are doomed.

The Hateful Eight (2015) Good but flawed, another Spaghetti-ish Western but needed way more landscapes. I had an idea once for something similar, I'll explain. My Western would have involved a summit mining town on mountain pass where a train get's stranded by blizzard and avalanches on either side blocking the tracks. So you'd have the snowbound town like Day Of The OutLaw and The Great Silence, and a stalled train with it's passengers like Breakheart Pass. You'd have the action taking place in the saloon, the whorehouse, similar to McCabe & Mrs. Miller and Deadwood, and also around the puffing steam engine, etc., etc. But I never got past the opening setting scenario.

The Revenant (2015) Good, great look but stupidly flawed, when it didn't have to be watch The Man In The Wilderness.

The Free State of Jones (2016) OK but pretty boring, sort of a Civil War within the Civil War.





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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2017, 12:29:30 PM »

Yeah, but is it any good?

If it's anything like Meek's Cutoff the WESTERN as they are now making them can't die soon enough for me.  Wink

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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2017, 12:40:22 PM »

I'll gladly add mine.

Three crazy women for five weeks is a lot more than I bargained for.

The Homesman is directed by Tommy Lee Jones, who also co-adapts the screenplay from Glendon Swarthout's novel with Kieran Fitzgerald and Wesley A. Oliver. It stars Jones, Hilary Swank, Grace Gummer, Miranda Otto and Sonja Richter. Music is by Marco Beltrami and cinematography by Rodrigo Prieto.

Three women who have been driven mad by pioneer life are to be transported East across the country to Iowa. When the men of the town refuse to stand up and be counted, single, pious and independent-minded Mary Bee Cuddy (Swank), enrols for the task. Recruiting scallywag drifter George Briggs (Jones) to aid the journey, it becomes an arduous journey that will make or break both of them.

The Homesman is a tricky Western, revisionist of heart and blood, and grim in nature, it's got a narrative that has (and will continue to do so) invited criticism from different quarters. It has been called misogynistic on one side of the fence, and feminist on the other! While there is a humongous narrative jump that has been lauded as great from some, and a film killer by others. The truth is that only each viewer can judge from their own personal perspectives. Personally I think that Jones has blended both the former angles to perfection, whilst the latter issue is to me an outstanding and brave piece of film.

The life of the pioneer women is shatteringly brought into sharp focus, right from the off there's brutality blended with utter sadness as Jones the director cuts no corners in setting up the film. Big question then hits us in the face - just how did the Old West deal with those suffering mental disturbance? In this instance it's to pack them off to the East where they will be tended by a minister and his wife (the latter of which played by Meryl Streep in little more than a cameo). The three women are vividly portrayed by Otto, Gummer and Richter, but this aspect of the film is only a side-bar to the crux of the story.

This is of course about Mary Cuddy and George Briggs, a man and woman at total different ends of the spectrum. She's sad at being alone without a man, he's more than happy to be without a woman. Everything suggests that this is going to be "one of those films" where opposites find a soul mate, but Jones and his backers may not be reverting to type? I mean for a start how interesting to find this journey going from West to East, that says much about the film right there, a pioneer journey in reverse. While the prominent ladies here may be mad, abused or needy, you will be searching far and wide for a decent man in this here tale.

The landscapes are deftly photographed by Prieto, eye opening but never to the detriment of the narrative thrust of pioneer hardship. Betrami lays ethereal piano and string arrangements all over the piece, while joining Streep in short bursts of cameo characterisations are James Spader, John Lithgow, William Fitchner, Hailee Steinfeld and Tim Blake Nelson, that's quite an armoury of performers. Even if you can't help but want more from them all.

But it's Swank and Jones, a superb pairing, who give the grade "A" performances. Jones lifts his old cantankerous ruffian character to greater heights, making Briggs the anti-hero to the anti-hero. While Swank hasn't been this great for a long time, making Mary Cuddy strong and inspiring, yet also evidently suffering inner turmoil. Swank's turn epitomises The Homesman, shrewd and insightful, humane and heartfelt. Top stuff all round, it's great to see modern directors confident enough to make biting moody Westerns. 9/10

OK with the Spike curve this might really be a 4/10 equal to Meek's Cutoff. I'm gonna have to post a WARNING LABEL after your reviews,  Grin

But If Moorman agrees that it's good then maybe I'll give it a looksee, lol. But don't worry if I waste a couple of hours of my life on it I'll be back. I see it's on Netflix also, whoopie.

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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2017, 03:17:12 PM »

 The Homesman is a very good movie. Give it a watch. Bone TomaHawk is a retelling of a Sasquatch story.  They knew people wouldn't go for a straight forward bigfoot movie, so they used the angle you mentioned cigar joe:

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2017, 08:13:23 PM »

It's a 7/10, way better than Meek's Cutoff, but still, all these overly touchy feely arty Westerns seem to be more what I'd call Woman's Westerns. They just ain't the same animal, they got a different vibe to 'em, they still don't even compare to say a Woman's Western from the Golden Age like Westward The Woman. they just got an off feel to them.

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2017, 08:35:16 PM »

It's a 7/10, way better than Meek's Cutoff, but still, all these overly touchy feely arty Westerns seem to be more what I'd call Woman's Westerns. They just ain't the same animal, they got a different vibe to 'em, they still don't even compare to say a Woman's Western from the Golden Age like Westward The Woman. they just got an off feel to them.

You gave it a pretty good score.  It reminds me of something Eastwood would've done.  No, its not in the same league as Unforgiven, but the material is something i could've seen Eastwood do...

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