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« #240 : December 18, 2013, 02:27:19 PM »

the review makes a major error: the restored scenes do have English dialog.
that's what happens when professionals review films  >:D



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« #241 : December 27, 2013, 02:14:45 PM »

that's what happens when professionals review films  >:D

even "professionals" make mistakes :-[ :-[ :-[

I have revised my review.
The cane field chase has NOT been restored.

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My article on the restoration of the The Big Gundown
http://thekinskifiles.blogspot.com/2009/01/cinemaretro-13-big-gundown.html
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« #242 : December 27, 2013, 02:18:10 PM »

I have revised my review.
The cane field chase has NOT been restored.
Even in the Italian version?



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« #243 : December 27, 2013, 02:43:51 PM »

Even in the Italian version?

The Italian version is complete - no cuts!
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« #244 : December 31, 2013, 12:42:01 PM »

The FC version is complete with app. 3 minutes of footage in Italian.
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What about the music?

Regarding the American cut of the film [from a BD booklet essay by Gergely Hubai]:
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Morricone's music is often victimized by [the] cuts, though only one of his cues was removed entirely from the American version: "Dopo la condanna" which is played during the meeting with the three Colorado hoodlums was simply removed because the corresponding scene was shortened by several minutes and the music didn't fit anymore. It's apparent that the editors of the American version had access to the music as well, because there are other changes to be found: the meeting with the unhelpful settler, for instance, was scored with two cues tracked from other parts of the movie--the scene plays without music in the Italian version. If there happened to be music during a tampered scene, the editors either applied some fading to mask their efforts, or simply cut the music at a particularly repetitive passage. The scoring of the finale is noticeably different--the American version uses a more triumphant reprise of the main theme instead of Morricone's original composition.



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« #245 : June 01, 2014, 01:49:17 PM »

Gary FINALLY reviews the Grindhouse release: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film4/blu-ray_reviews_62_/the_big_gundown_blu-ray.htm



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« #246 : March 23, 2015, 09:12:27 PM »

I just competed my full resolution version that combines the two cuts, retaining as much english as possible, and subtitles for the italian dialog where necessary...not an easy task as nearly every scene in the italian cut has extra shots, lines of dialog etc. I know a guy named "franco cleef" did this back a while ago with dvd, but now I can watch the uncut film in hd with Lee van cleefs voice! The audio edits are pretty smooth considering the two tracks are quite different (including different music placement etc - on music I defered to the Italian where possible.  I will probably upload a large mkv file of it up at myspleen (a torrent site for fan edits). The grindhouse blu Ray set is fantastic...I kinda wish they had done this but now I understand why they couldn't, I think the average viewer would be confused by the constant switching between italian and English...but I really don't mind it and I took matters into my own hands :)

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« #247 : March 24, 2015, 02:12:13 AM »

nice  O0


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« #248 : March 24, 2015, 04:53:58 AM »

You da man!  O0



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« #249 : March 24, 2015, 06:39:46 AM »

I just competed my full resolution version that combines the two cuts, retaining as much english as possible, and subtitles for the italian dialog where necessary.......  I will probably upload a large mkv file of it up at myspleen (a torrent site for fan edits). ...

That sounds great, we all thank you.  If you do upload it, I'd be interested, but would need "simple" instructions.

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« #250 : March 24, 2015, 07:20:15 AM »

The grindhouse blu Ray set is fantastic...I kinda wish they had done this but now I understand why they couldn't, I think the average viewer would be confused by the constant switching between italian and English...but I really don't mind it and I took matters into my own hands :)

Didn't the German Blu-Ray do this?

http://www.amazon.de/Gehetzte-Sierra-Bonus-Disc-Blu-ray-Limited/dp/B009229EQI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427206686&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+gundown

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« #251 : March 24, 2015, 08:07:29 AM »

I just competed my full resolution version that combines the two cuts, retaining as much english as possible, and subtitles for the italian dialog where necessary...not an easy task as nearly every scene in the italian cut has extra shots, lines of dialog etc. I know a guy named "franco cleef" did this back a while ago with dvd, but now I can watch the uncut film in hd with Lee van cleefs voice! The audio edits are pretty smooth considering the two tracks are quite different (including different music placement etc - on music I defered to the Italian where possible.  I will probably upload a large mkv file of it up at myspleen (a torrent site for fan edits). The grindhouse blu Ray set is fantastic...I kinda wish they had done this but now I understand why they couldn't, I think the average viewer would be confused by the constant switching between italian and English...but I really don't mind it and I took matters into my own hands :)

besides for the BRD vs. DVD things, can you explain how your cut differs from Franco Cleef's? I have FC's DVD, and to the best of my recollection, his version also uses LVC's voice for the English, and in scenes only available in Italian, it uses the Italian voice and English subtitles, right? How does your version differ from his?


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« #252 : March 24, 2015, 09:01:05 AM »

besides for the BRD vs. DVD things, can you explain how your cut differs from Franco Cleef's? I have FC's DVD, and to the best of my recollection, his version also uses LVC's voice for the English, and in scenes only available in Italian, it uses the Italian voice and English subtitles, right? How does your version differ from his?


My version is in HD, and I think my audio cuts will be smoother.

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« #253 : March 24, 2015, 09:03:36 AM »

Didn't the German Blu-Ray do this?

http://www.amazon.de/Gehetzte-Sierra-Bonus-Disc-Blu-ray-Limited/dp/B009229EQI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427206686&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+gundown

I'm not sure, it's possible they did. From what I've read and seen via screencaps I think the grindhouse disc has better picture & audio quality though. The colors are slightly better (in my opinion), it doesn't have any dirt or scratches and the german picture is slightly cropped.

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« #254 : March 25, 2015, 01:49:28 PM »

Where did you find time to do this?? :o

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