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« #270 : December 27, 2017, 03:33:13 AM »

The "cane fields" that I have on FrancoCleef's version is part of a whole musical sequence, I'll time it when i get a chance.  O0


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« #271 : December 27, 2017, 11:45:55 AM »

The "cane fields" that I have on FrancoCleef's version is part of a whole musical sequence, I'll time it when i get a chance.  O0

https://forum.spaghetti-western.net/t/the-big-gundown-la-resa-dei-conti-sergio-sollima-1966/335/114

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« #272 : December 27, 2017, 03:44:41 PM »

https://forum.spaghetti-western.net/t/the-big-gundown-la-resa-dei-conti-sergio-sollima-1966/335/114

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« #273 : December 27, 2017, 05:53:16 PM »

I'm assuming that the Franco Cleef version in English is unobtainable, correct?  Can anyone make a copy or a VHS copy from his?

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« #274 : December 27, 2017, 07:04:31 PM »

I'm assuming that the Franco Cleef version in English is unobtainable, correct?  Can anyone make a copy or a VHS copy from his?

Why don't you just buy the German BD?

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« #275 : December 27, 2017, 07:06:03 PM »

I'll try and get some information on the cuts you said that Columbia made on the U.S. version and post them for you...

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« #276 : December 27, 2017, 07:55:08 PM »

Why don't you just buy the German BD?

So the German BluRay DVD is the Franco Cleef version ?  Can that play on North American BluRay players ?

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« #277 : December 28, 2017, 03:50:15 AM »

I'm assuming that the Franco Cleef version in English is unobtainable, correct? 

It's not in English it goes to English subs whenever the cuts part comes on. Now off the top of my head the biggest cuts are more at the beginning. The biggest at the very start. In the English version we see Corbet confront the three outlaws and they see Gulick hanging from a tree, then there is a quick cut to the shootout.

In the original cut when Van Cleef confronts the outlaws he goes into a more elaborate set up for the final shootout with them. He removes three bullets from his revolver, and places them on a log, the angle is such that each bullet covers one outlaw, this is done to a music score. So he only has three bullets, one for each rather than six, then he tells them to draw and we then go back to the English language cut.

Another cut is still near the beginning at a town when he brings in a dead man draped over a horse that he thinks is Cuchillo but it turns out he killed the wrong man, and he says a few lines to the sheriff when he finds this out, those lines were cut.

After those, the cuts are smaller more like trims rather than whole scenes.


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« #278 : December 28, 2017, 04:04:12 AM »

Shorter versions harm the film considerably. It was definitely a lesser film in the German theatrical version, which runs only about 80 mins.

At the same time I think the long ranch scene also hurts the film considerably, only that that one is always part of the shorter versions. It would be ideal to cut that overlong and comparatively superfluous scene out, but they never did that.

Well it's a film I now always watch in Italian with subs. But actually I watch most Spags in that form.


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« #279 : December 28, 2017, 07:49:55 AM »

In the original cut when Van Cleef confronts the outlaws he goes into a more elaborate set up for the final shootout with them. He removes three bullets from his revolver, and places them on a log, the angle is such that each bullet covers one outlaw, this is done to a music score. So he only has three bullets, one for each rather than six, then he tells them to draw and we then go back to the English language cut.

I watched that scene yesterday on YouTube; in Italian.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmu-cdNr7l8


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« #280 : January 04, 2018, 09:34:23 PM »

You can read all about differences between the Italian and English language versions in my article linked at the bottom of this post. Also in the thread

Btw I have a copy of the Franco Cleef dvd in PAL .


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My article on the restoration of the The Big Gundown
http://thekinskifiles.blogspot.com/2009/01/cinemaretro-13-big-gundown.html
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