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« : May 04, 2016, 11:26:04 PM »

Sorry if it's already being discussed someplace else, this board is surprisingly big, which made me too lazy to thoroughly search it.

This scene occurs in the Italian version only but I reckon it is definitely worthy of our contemplation.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/KYc2UCpg9_0

The trading post scene is a no brainer, they aren't familiar with each other yet, thus Harmonica considers him a possible rival.

But what is the meaning of this?  

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« #1 : May 05, 2016, 05:54:26 AM »

Because he doesn't immediately recognize Cheyenne? Could be Frank or one of his goons.



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« #2 : May 05, 2016, 10:56:24 PM »

Because he doesn't immediately recognize Cheyenne? Could be Frank or one of his goons.

Frank wears a distinct black suit at this point in the movie and Harmonica is aware of it since he saved his life couple of hours ago.

Maybe he is just playing with Cheyenne's mind by reminding him of their first encounter while anticipating Frank's arrival at the same time.

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« #3 : May 06, 2016, 04:48:26 AM »

or one of his goons.



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« #4 : May 06, 2016, 06:46:17 AM »

Never trust anybody. 

A pretty standard theme in Leone films...

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« #5 : May 06, 2016, 09:03:27 AM »

Never trust anybody.  

A pretty standard theme in Leone films...

What could possibly motivate Cheyenne to make an attempt on his life? If Harmonica didn't trust him at that point, he wouldn't had trusted him to ride with him together at the end.

Maybe he thought Cheyenne felt jealous over sensing Jill's in love with him?

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« #6 : May 06, 2016, 12:23:53 PM »

Never trust anybody. 

A pretty standard theme in Leone films...


Did you believe Angel Eyes when he said "I'm not greedy....I'm only taking half" ???

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« #7 : May 07, 2016, 02:18:17 AM »


Did you believe Angel Eyes when he said "I'm not greedy....I'm only taking half" ???

I did. :D




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« #8 : May 15, 2016, 03:18:05 AM »

Odd indeed!

Is it that Harmonica is worried that Cheyenne might be holding a grudge after being turned in to the law by him for the reward money?



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« #9 : May 15, 2016, 03:42:40 PM »

Strange tread. Of course he is not sure how Cheyenne would react towards him at this point - after he "sold" him to the law (and Cheyenne even caught the deadly bullet because of the Harmonica action).

This one is nice too, you can spot Leone's daughter!
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« #10 : May 15, 2016, 04:33:29 PM »

Because he doesn't immediately recognize Cheyenne? Could be Frank or one of his goons.
That's how I take it. The fact that we only hear Cheyenne's theme afterward heavily support this version.



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« #11 : May 16, 2016, 06:52:22 AM »

The fact that we only hear Cheyenne's theme afterward heavily support this version.
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« #12 : May 16, 2016, 08:23:00 AM »

Never. Maybe if you watch it on a smartphone. On a good 20-30ft screen you recognized Cheyenne quite fast. And Harmonica was sitting even closer :).



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« #13 : May 18, 2016, 10:40:20 AM »

Odd indeed!

Is it that Harmonica is worried that Cheyenne might be holding a grudge after being turned in to the law by him for the reward money?

Strange tread. Of course he is not sure how Cheyenne would react towards him at this point - after he "sold" him to the law (and Cheyenne even caught the deadly bullet because of the Harmonica action).

There's no way that turning in happened spontaneously, as in on Harmonica's whim. It was a ploy conceived by the pair to prevent Frank from obtaining McBain's property. Not to mention that, at this point in time, Harmonica is still unaware of Cheyenne's mortal wound. Hence the "Who?" at the end of the film.

I think Leone left it just to keep the audience guessing.

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