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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2016, 01:01:29 PM »

I am not referring specifically to that scene. I did not like the last 40 mins. nearly as much as the first 3 hours.

So, to rephrase my question, what don't you like about the last 40 mins?

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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2016, 02:05:02 PM »


I think Heaven's Gate is an absolute masterpiece.

Same here (along with DH)

I can't think of another film that better depicts the psychological damage from war than THE DEER HUNTER.

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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2016, 03:24:36 PM »

So, to rephrase my question, what don't you like about the last 40 mins?

i saw it quite a while ago, I can't tell you scene by scene, I just remember feeling it was a really buildup that goes nowhere. the last battle is ridiculous. they do the circle spinning around and around just as a reference to the earlier circle at the Harvard graduation dance, but that's a ridiculous battle.

also, sometimes this movie seems like auteurism for auteurism's sake.

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2016, 10:33:19 AM »

Ah ok - so not the technical aspects such as the editing which n_l says he doesn't like, but rather the whole concept itself regardless of how well or poorly it is executed. I personally like the book-ending aspect of it and remember finding it well shot, but for now I'll just add it to my ever-growing list of films due a re-watch.

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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2016, 01:19:12 PM »

RIP

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2016, 02:12:33 PM »

Am I the only fan of Year of the Dragon?
Yes, you are. Congratulations.

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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2016, 08:40:06 PM »

Yes, you are. Congratulations.

I'm a fan too -  as I believe is Noodles_leone.

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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2016, 09:22:56 PM »

Wow - finally here is someone who actually gets Cimino:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-dissent-on-michael-cimino-1467840468

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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2016, 09:50:03 PM »

As I have said elsehwhere, when a movie is big and epic and sweeping cinematography and all that, it better be great. Plain good isn't good enough. Like if a girl wears a beautiful gown to a great big ball, it's wonderful; if a girl wears a beautiful gown to go to work on a Monday morning, it feels kinda ridiucilous.
Don't get me wrong; I don't think Heavens Gate was a bad movie. In fact, I rated it an 8/10 right after the one time I saw it; probably a bit too high. But anyway, ratings are tough for a movie like this - This movie has parts that are very very flawed and parts that are very very good. I would not call it a "flawed masterpiece." I'd call it a "wannabe masterpiece."

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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2016, 11:40:32 PM »

I haven't seen much of his other stuff but I also don't think I'm losing much.

I have to re-repeat myself: The Sunchaser (1996) is a very good movie - not without faults, but far far from bad.


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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2016, 11:41:38 PM »

But wasn't he living in France for the past 20 - 30 years?

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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2016, 05:48:02 AM »

I'm a fan too -  as I believe is Noodles_leone.

Yes. Best break up scene EVER.

I have to re-repeat myself: The Sunchaser (1996) is a very good movie - not without faults, but far far from bad.

I'm trying my best not to read your comments, ever, but I'll follow this one and watch The Sunchaser asap.

But wasn't he living in France for the past 20 - 30 years?

It's very possible. I've read quite a few interviews by french media (while he had absolutely nothing "new" coming up) over the past years so he may have been around. If you can read in French, here is an interesting one that really shows how lost the guy was: http://www.sofilm.fr/interview-le-mythe-michael-cimino
Between his lies and his mislead theories, I don't think a single word from this article is right.

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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2016, 04:18:29 AM »

It's very possible. I've read quite a few interviews by french media (while he had absolutely nothing "new" coming up) over the past years so he may have been around. If you can read in French, here is an interesting one that really shows how lost the guy was: http://www.sofilm.fr/interview-le-mythe-michael-cimino
Between his lies and his mislead theories, I don't think a single word from this article is right.

I can read French but I can't understand it. Cheesy

Yes, I remember watching a couple of his interviews some time ago (following an appraising article in the local TV guide) and being shocked how everything around him seemed out of place (and space). There was no way of connecting any of his better directorial efforts to his (at the time) current image or whatever he was saying.  Actually, it crossed my mind whether he even was ''the director'' Michael Cimino, if such an entity ever even existed.

Anyhow, Michael Cimino did some truly unique great movies, as well as some capital misses. That seems a fair statement regarding his Hollywood career.

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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2016, 04:16:42 PM »

Haha thanks for having my back Novecento and noodles.




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This is such a good scene:

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« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2016, 02:25:44 AM »

If I ignore Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, which is a Clint Eastwood film anyway, every film of Cimino is less good than the previous one, and The Sicilian is the watermark between good and bad. But I haven't watched Sunchaser yet, and it could be enthralling to see if this one can be worse than The Desperate Hours.


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