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« #150 : May 31, 2019, 02:11:21 PM »

Can you check if there is a link? I presume it would not be in English? Thanks

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=10590.0

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« #151 : January 21, 2020, 08:47:50 PM »

SPAGHETTI WESTERNS was based on Frayling's doctorate.
It is pure academese.
If you want an intellectual discussion of OUTW, this is the book for you.
STSWD has tons of info on the film.
Between the 2 books above you learn almost all there is to know about this film

The new book is accurately described by our members.
You won't learn alot of new info, but but it's a visual feast.
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« #152 : January 23, 2020, 06:45:54 AM »

I ordered "OUATITW: Shooting a Masterpiece" by Frayling yesterday.

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« #153 : February 19, 2020, 06:23:00 AM »

I ordered "OUATITW: Shooting a Masterpiece" by Frayling yesterday.

So far - and I'm still not through the Foreword - very good.  And the book is HUGE !!!

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« #154 : April 01, 2020, 06:07:37 AM »

So far - and I'm still not through the Foreword - very good.  And the book is HUGE !!!

I'm half-way through this right now; absolutely worth it !!!

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« #155 : April 07, 2020, 08:27:40 AM »

I'd say this book is a must-have, finished it.

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« #156 : May 12, 2020, 04:55:30 PM »

I'd say this book is a must-have, finished it.

OK, still at stay-at-home, so it was time to view the film again (special edition DVD, 2-disc).  This was likely about the 20th time I've seen the entire film since I saw it first run in theater back in 1969.  I also saw this in the theater in 1985 and 1986.  Beautifully filmed movie, for sure.

I do have a question about the scene of Jill arriving in Flagstone though.  The two black porters follow her and carry her luggage to the bench on the outside of the station, Jill sees the clock on the station read 7:55.  Time passes and the trackside is now deserted; Jill looks at her watch which now reads 10:10 and her luggage is back at trainside where she stepped off, and the two black porters again follow her with the luggage past the same bench and through the station into Flagstone proper. 

So why would her luggage be carried back to trackside?  Is this just a mistake in continuity?

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I do have a question about the scene of Jill arriving in Flagstone though.  The two black porters follow her and carry her luggage to the bench on the outside of the station, Jill sees the clock on the station read 7:55.  Time passes and the trackside is now deserted; Jill looks at her watch which now reads 10:10 and her luggage is back at trainside where she stepped off, and the two black porters again follow her with the luggage past the same bench and through the station into Flagstone proper. 

So why would her luggage be carried back to trackside?  Is this just a mistake in continuity?
Not a mistake in continuity. The porters are being good porters and are moving the bags every time CC decides to move. She is fidgeting and aimless for 2 hrs. waiting in vain, so she keeps shifting position. When the time jump occurs, there is also a jump in space. Before the jump she is standing before the station clock; after the jump she is back next to the train. Naturally her luggage is with her, ready for the porters to move it yet again (I guess they're expecting a really good tip). Who knows how many times the bags have been moved in those intervening two hours? Happily, at 10:10 Claudia becomes decisive and moves for the last time. The porters will now be able to quit and go home.



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« #158 : May 14, 2020, 06:03:18 AM »

OK.

Also wondering if none of the guards (dead, unseen) had a key to Cheyenne's handcuffs...

Also wondering why a steam train would need to load up on water within 20 miles west or so of Flagstone, at Sweetwater...instead of loading up at Flagstone...

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« #159 : May 14, 2020, 07:12:06 AM »

Also wondering why a steam train would need to load up on water within 20 miles west or so of Flagstone, at Sweetwater...instead of loading up at Flagstone...
The water at Flagstone is just the usual stuff but the water at Sweetwater is  . . . sweet! Them steam engines won't roll without a bit of dessert after their meal . . . .

OK, just arsing around. Maybe there's a long stretch after Sweetwater before the can get to water again and the engines need every drop they can carry to cross it. So, even though they may load up at Flagstone, they may have to top off the tank before crossing the desert.

Yeah, that answer doesn't satisfy me either. Oh well.



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« #160 : May 14, 2020, 07:41:44 AM »

The water at Flagstone is just the usual stuff but the water at Sweetwater is  . . . sweet! Them steam engines won't roll without a bit of dessert after their meal . . . .

OK, just arsing around. Maybe there's a long stretch after Sweetwater before the can get to water again and the engines need every drop they can carry to cross it. So, even though they may load up at Flagstone, they may have to top off the tank before crossing the desert.

Yeah, that answer doesn't satisfy me either. Oh well.

Just drive through monument valley in July and you?ll see that every man, animal and vehicule in your party will happilywelcome the idea of any kind of water, sweet or not sweet.


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« #161 : May 14, 2020, 07:42:19 AM »

The water at Flagstone is just the usual stuff but the water at Sweetwater is  . . . sweet! Them steam engines won't roll without a bit of dessert after their meal . . . .

OK, just arsing around. Maybe there's a long stretch after Sweetwater before the can get to water again and the engines need every drop they can carry to cross it. So, even though they may load up at Flagstone, they may have to top off the tank before crossing the desert.

Yeah, that answer doesn't satisfy me either. Oh well.

No, you are right they needed water every 50 miles, so if there was a big enough stretch after Flagstone they'd have to top up


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« #162 : May 14, 2020, 01:39:52 PM »

No, you are right they needed water every 50 miles, so if there was a big enough stretch after Flagstone they'd have to top up
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« #163 : May 15, 2020, 11:12:52 AM »

Nope, nothing on the long Italian release although the book does note the shot of Harmonica rising from the platform is a deleted scene and was not in the original Italian release. Lots of great stuff in this book! Can't wait to scan the contact sheets to have a better look.

I just came across this tidbit of info

American release

In the US, Paramount edited the film to about 145 minutes for the wide release, but the film underperformed at the box office, earning $2.1M in rentals in North America.[38]

The following scenes were cut for the American release:

The entire scene at Lionel Stander's trading post. Cheyenne (Robards) was not introduced in the American release until his arrival at the McBain ranch later in the film. Stander remained in the credits, even though he did not appear in this version at all.

The scene in which Morton and Frank discuss what to do with Jill at the Navajo Cliffs.

Morton's death scene was reduced considerably.

Cheyenne's death scene was completely excised.

Otherwise, one scene was slightly longer in the US version than in the international film release:
Following the opening duel (where all four gunmen fire and fall), Charles Bronson's character stands up again showing that he had only been shot in the arm. This part of the scene had been originally cut by director Sergio Leone for the worldwide theatrical release. It was added again for the U.S. market because the American distributors feared American viewers would not understand the story otherwise, especially since Harmonica's arm wound is originally shown for the first time in the scene at the trading post which was cut for the shorter U.S. version.

So could this mean it may have been in say the NYC/Los Angeles premiere prints and then was cut once again for an even shorter running time for distribution to the rest of the country?


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« #164 : May 16, 2020, 03:48:04 AM »

A detailed overview of the genesis of the different USA versions can be found here:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=10564.0

According to that at first the uncut version was released in the states.




Btw the similar cut UK version and the later US version differ in one scene.


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