Sean or John?

[grandpa_chum]

in the final flashback, just before sean blows himself up they both kiss the girl... and sean watches and smiles... thats where the trios comes in

[DJIMBO]

out of interest, roughly how long is this final flashback, is it a sizeable omission in terms of time as well as story?

[Jon]

The full version of the final flashback is about 3 1/2 mins., although one of the older versions of the film reduced it to about 30 secs.

[Nobody]

woohoo! Special Edition! You gotta love it.

[Concorde]

 

Maybe we should change the name of this thread -- or start a new one -- about the name of the "Mallory's Friend" character played by David Warbeck in the flashbacks.

I just found a reference to him as "Nolan" on page 98 of the DUCK YOU SUCKER paperback novelization.

 

[The Peacemaker]

In the movie his name is Sean but on some DVD and CD covers ( including imdb ) they refer to him as John. Why is that?

[The Firecracker]

In the movie his name is Sean but on some DVD and CD covers ( including imdb ) they refer to him as John. Why is that?

well his name is mentioned as "John" in the film. Never Sean(except for one scene).

[Juan Miranda]

If you want, Peacemaker, you could have a little lookie back through these threads. Dunno if they'll help or just leave you more confused?

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2093

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=10.60

Sean, John e Juan, no?

[The Peacemaker]

If you want, Peacemaker, you could have a little lookie back through these threads. Dunno if they'll help or just leave you more confused?

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2093

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=10.60

Sean, John e Juan, no?

Thanks for the help but I'm still confused. I haven't seen this movie for over two years and only saw it once. Why is John called Sean in one scene if his name is John? And if his name is John, then how come on the soundtrack there are the sean chants?

[Juan Miranda]

In several moments in the film, he is clearly called "John Mallory". The confusion comes when Juan askes him his name. He has just been thinking of David Warbeck's character in the old days in Ireland. Still in a daze he says "Sean..." He then quickly corrects himself and says "John."

So. Was his real name Sean and he's changed it to "John"? Or was the Warbeck character called "Sean", and Coburn says his name because he was thinking of him? Are the "Sean Sean Sean" chants in the music a haunting memory of his old friend and collegue, a man who he killed, or a song about Coburn himself?

Even the three Sean's on the soundtrack seem significant, as there are three "John's" in the movie, John, Sean and Juan, which all translate as the same thing in Italian, "Giovanni".

Perhaps the Morricone event at the NFT in July could be perfect occassion to try and clear up the mystery? I'll see if I can ask him if there is an audience Q+A.

[The Peacemaker]

Perhaps the Morricone event at the NFT in July could be perfect occassion to try and clear up the mystery? I'll see if I can ask him if there is an audience Q+A.

Thanks. Unfortunately I can't go to that event, I don't live in Britain. 

I would love to go and see Morricone live in person and the Eli Wallach interview sounded great. He's a very kind man from what I've heard, a gentleman.

[dave jenkins]

Now that the R1 DYS has been released, a whole cadre of viewers will be exposed to the documentaries for the first time, and they'll probably get exercised over the whole Sean/John/Juan issue. Rather than start yet another thread on the subject, I thought I'd bump this to the top of the heap so that people can review what has already been posted.

[The Peacemaker]

I noticed I started this thread while back before I saw the film.

Now that I've seen the movie a good 5 times, including once on the big screen, I can state my opinion on the subject; I definitely think Coburn's character is Sean. Then again you can call him John too, they're the same name. I just think Sean is more appropriate because he's Irish and John is anglicized, plus I like the name Sean.

[marmota-b]

And, as i already wrote before somewhere else, I prefer calling him Sean, too - for the same reasons you state; and then also because when I call him John in written, I get confused with Juan...

[cigar joe]

I'll add my two cents pretty soon too!