Grindhouse

[noodles_leone]

Well of course they did. They stated it many times in various horror and other genre publications. The films were shot complete and later chunks were removed for the "missing reels"

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if that's true, you're right. But I'm sorry I cannot believe you on that point... Look at PT: it's obvious that the missing reel is a JOKE in this movie. The biggest part of the movie (big fight against zombies, sheriff getting shot, sex scene, explaination about "El Rey"...) takes place during the missing reel... RR never shot that scene, and everybody in the audience, even the stupidest teenager you can find will never believe they're actually IS a missing reel somewhere...

So, once again, may be "no argument can be made in PT and DP's defense", but either their is no argument against them so far, either I still cannot read.

[Dust Devil]

I'm by no means an expert on explotation cinema and I clearly understand AC's point. I don't think an argument can be made in PT and DP's defense.

There was no point made by AC, at least I didn't read any. If it was made sometimes before I don't have the time to search through 25+ pages of this thread to find it. Anyway, that is not even important, because I agree with what he said.

[noodles_leone]

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But on what? what do ou agree on? that PT and DP are not grindhouse? everyone knows that...

[Dust Devil]

I don't know anymore, I lost track of what we were discussing. I was about to write something but it slipped my mind.

Though I can guess that no matter what the subject of the discussion is, you're probably writing nonsense, as usual.

[noodles_leone]

Though I can guess that no matter what the subject of the discussion is, you're probably writing nonsense, as usual.

Who doesn't?

[Dust Devil]

Who doesn't?

AC. He does not fuck around.

[Arizona Colt]

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if that's true, you're right. But I'm sorry I cannot believe you on that point... Look at PT: it's obvious that the missing reel is a JOKE in this movie. The biggest part of the movie (big fight against zombies, sheriff getting shot, sex scene, explaination about "El Rey"...) takes place during the missing reel... RR never shot that scene, and everybody in the audience, even the stupidest teenager you can find will never believe they're actually IS a missing reel somewhere...

I am only telling you what was stated by them in various interviews. I honestly do not care about a "missing reel" because this movie sucks with, or without it.

[noodles_leone]

Ok...

[dave jenkins]

Up for pre-order at last: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003VMFWYI?

Looks like the correct AR has been restored, which is good. Watching the faux John Carpenter stuff in anything less than 'scope was B.S.

[Spikeopath]

Because DP is not! And countless others who KNOW WHAT THOSE MOVIES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. Again, people don't READ obviously.....

PLANET TERROR was not much better, but it came the closest to emulating that type of film.

Outside of MAYBE ten minutes of delivering on what the title promises, DP is still left with 100 minutes of QT's usual self absorbed referential yappin' to let the audience know once more that he knows about obscurities that the average person doesn't know and really doesn't give two shits about. I didn't like the movie, you obviously did. I didn't even pay to see it in the theater because it looked like crap from the commercial and I had a feeling it was gonna bomb because those kinds of films are a niche and the generation today isn't interested in anything over ten years old. They were gambling on Q's name alone and it didn't work. If you want to see what a REAL exploitation movie should be (then again, maybe you don't), check out some of these. Some are classics, some are good, some are average to mediocre and some are just plain bad, but most are remembered for certain qualities....

ZOMBIE
THE FLESH EATERS
GALAXY OF TERROR
FORBIDDEN WORLD
THE GREAT TEXAS DYNAMITE CHASE
DEATHSPORT
THE STREETFIGHTER
THE EXECUTIONER
MACON COUNTY LINE
WHITE LINE FEVER
POOR PRETTY EDDIE
THE LEGEND OF NI**ER CHARLEY
THE SOUL OF NI**ER CHARLEY
BOSS NI**ER
BLACK SHAMPOO
PSYCHIC KILLER
BEYOND THE DOOR
MAKE THEM DIE SLOWLY
CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST
NIGHTMARE CITY
STUCK ON YOU! (Troma)
THE TOXIC AVENGER
MOTHER'S DAY
ROME ARMED TO THE TEETH
VIOLENT NAPLES
EATEN ALIVE (76)
EATEN ALIVE! (80)
THE BRAIN THAT WOULDN'T DIE
DIRTY MARY, CRAZY LARRY
DEATHRACE 2000
HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP
WALKING TALL (1973)
THE FLYING GUILLOTINE
FIVE VENOMS
KING BOXER
KILL SQUAD
TERROR EXPRESS
ANTHROPOPHAGUS
BASKET CASE
ABSURD
ALMOST HUMAN
REVENGE OF THE NINJA
THE BIG DOLL HOUSE
THE BIG BIRD CAGE
WOMEN IN CAGES
CAGED HEAT
SWITCHBLADE SISTERS
BURIAL GROUND
THE BIG RACKET
CANNONBALL
CLASS OF 1984
MANDINGO
DRUM
THE LOSERS
1990: THE BRONX WARRIORS
RAIDERS OF ATLANTIS
SILENT RAGE
TREASURE OF THE AMAZON
VIOLENCE FOR KICKS
TRUCK TURNER
THREE THE HARD WAY
BUCKTOWN
BLACULA
DEATHSTALKER
ESCAPE 2000
THE BOXER FROM SHANTUNG
FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE SPACE MONSTER
THE GIANT SPIDER INVASION
HUNDRA
THE THING WITH TWO HEADS
BIG BAD MAMA
BLOODY MAMA
EATING RAOUL
EAT MY DUST!
GRAND THEFT AUTO
MANIAC
MAD DOCTOR OF BLOOD ISLAND
LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT
LET SLEEPING CORPSES LIE
TORSO
THE LADY TERMINATOR
JUNGLE HOLOCAUST
ILSA, SHE WOLF OF THE SS
ILSA, HAREM KEEPER OF THE OIL SHIEKS
ILSA, THE TIGRESS OF SIBERIA
I DRINK YOUR BLOOD
I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE
HUNCHBACK OF THE MORGUE
THE HILLS HAVE EYES
HELL OF THE LIVING DEAD
THE GESTAPO'S LAST ORGY
FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE
SAVAGE STREETS
SHE (1983)
2019: AFTER THE FALL OF NEW YORK
etc, etc, etc, etc..........

Having just watched Bloody Mama I wouldn't have thought it was classed as Exploitation, but I'm definitely no expert. Oh and I liked the film plenty.

Interesting thread.

[noodles_leone]

8 years later, I'm still right.

[T.H.]

I don't remember the specifics of the argument but QT and RR's movies didn't capture the spirit of those movies in the way that something like The Devil's Rejects succeeded in doing.

[noodles_leone]

I don't remember the specifics of the argument but QT and RR's movies didn't capture the spirit of those movies in the way that something like The Devil's Rejects succeeded in doing.

I fully agree, and I don't think they ever intended to do so These two Grindhouse movies are movies for hipsters... which isn't a bad thing at all.

[dave jenkins]

I fully agree, and I don't think they ever intended to do so These two Grindhouse movies are movies for hipsters... which isn't a bad thing at all.

Yeah, real Grindhouse films don't interest me at all. These send-ups of the genre, though, I find entertaining.