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« Reply #150 on: July 28, 2017, 12:03:31 AM »

I just received an email from Amazon: the estimated arrival date for my pre-ordered KL GBU is August 21 - August 25

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« Reply #151 on: July 28, 2017, 05:59:36 AM »

Well, Super 35 replaced it and is superior because it has a larger negative capture and is ten percent wider.
I hate it and Techniscope. Very few directors know how to frame in this "narrow screen" format.
Shoot either spherical or anamorphic, dammitt!



But the framing is the same when the aspect ratio is the same. What do you mean with that?

The differences lie in that what Mike described.


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« Reply #152 on: August 05, 2017, 02:37:03 PM »

TECHNISCOPE frame is locked in.
Super 35 allows flexibility. When you shoot S35 you are exposing the ENTIRE film frame (Techniscope uses 1/2).
SO, theoreticall the aspect ration can be 1;33, 1;85, 2:35.
When these films were originally released on dvd or shown on tv they usually went out full-frame; so, you actually see considerably MORE in that version than in the theatrical one.

Techniscope films , on the other hand, have to be panned and scanned when transferred to home video. This is one reason people like Scorcese started using Super 35;  he hated seeing his Panavision framing cropped.

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« Reply #153 on: August 06, 2017, 02:47:22 AM »

TECHNISCOPE frame is locked in.
Super 35 allows flexibility. When you shoot S35 you are exposing the ENTIRE film frame (Techniscope uses 1/2).
SO, theoreticall the aspect ration can be 1;33, 1;85, 2:35.


I know, but the framing for Super 35 is still done for the theatrical 2,35:1 aspect ratio.
And then, there was no Super 35 available in the times of the SW, it is a newer format. The usual alternatives to Techniscope for Leone were then Cinemascope or Panavision, as long as he wanted to stay with 2,35:1.

And Leone did not think about the home video use when he made his westerns, because there was no home video then, and TV was mainly a competitor.
But he thought later about full frame home video releases when he chose the format for OUTA.

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« Reply #154 on: August 06, 2017, 02:57:38 AM »

Reminds me of the opening scene in RESERVOIR DOGS:  When I first saw it in 1992 I was puzzled be a shot that cut off a head (Keitel's?) - although speaking dialogue - in the restaurant scene. I am not sure whether this was deliberate, maybe an homage to PIERROT LE FOU (TechniScope) where such a shot appears in the first 10 minutes, or whether it was due to SUPER 35 (bad framing).

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« Reply #155 on: August 07, 2017, 03:18:24 PM »

I love the old UA logo. Never saw that one before I guess... As for the color:


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« Reply #156 on: August 07, 2017, 04:03:21 PM »

First review here...

http://www.mondo-digital.com/goodbad.html

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« Reply #157 on: August 07, 2017, 05:00:44 PM »

WTH? I expected the yellow in outdoor scenes, but why is the interior with Angel Eyes at the farm so blue?

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« Reply #158 on: August 07, 2017, 05:09:17 PM »

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Also included are a few brief "vignette" outtakes -- "Uno Due Tre" (40s) with Wallace, "Italian Lunch" (43s) with Eastwood, "New York Accent' (10s) with Wallace, and "Gun in Holster" (59s) with Wallace.
Who the hell is "Wallace"?

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« Reply #159 on: August 08, 2017, 03:33:29 AM »

Who the hell is "Wallace"?

Persumably Mario Brega's character, Cpl Wallace?

Looking at the review from Mondo, looks washed out to bejaysus to me... still yellow

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« Reply #160 on: August 08, 2017, 08:30:12 AM »

"Wallace" probably means "Wallach," no?

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« Reply #161 on: August 08, 2017, 08:53:24 AM »

To conpare the colors, just look at the shot of Tuco in the new disc vs. the original MGM one. Original has a blue sky. New one looks like PISS   Angry

Yet another GBU disc failure   Angry

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« Reply #162 on: August 08, 2017, 09:45:28 PM »

"Wallace" probably means "Wallach," no?
Of course. But I'm going to go with Paulo's suggestion so I can be disappointed when Mario Brega turns out to not be involved. Wink

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« Reply #163 on: August 09, 2017, 06:56:07 AM »

It doesn't look good.  Hearing there are framing problems with the extras ported over from the extended edition  Sad

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« Reply #164 on: August 09, 2017, 08:25:11 AM »

Just so everyone knows, it's been confirmed that Kino used the 98 DVD as a cutting reference, instead of an actual 1967 international cut. That means their shorter version is not the cut Leone approved in 1967, its a "hybrid" cut that includes many shots from the Italian version, cuts some shots meant to be there, and completely (and needlessly) reorders the entire scene of the gunmen approaching Blondie's hotel room (something a home video editor decided to do in 1998, this reshuffling of the scene is now only on the 98 DVD and the kino disc). We repeatedly told them that the 98 DVD is NOT the 1967 international cut but they ignored us and are still falsely advertising the shorter version as "the original u.s. Theatrical cut". Quite simply, it is not. Disappointing that the home video market doesn't care about actually having a cut of GBU out there that is actually Leone's.

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