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« Reply #225 on: August 31, 2017, 01:57:17 PM »

Thanks!

Oh boy, never saw that one before. Thank heavens.
In fact I saw the right version about 95% when I saw the film over the last 35 years. Usually
I can take it when a guy walks up 5 steps instead of 6, but this is a "moment". And great
films are made of "moments". I remember Sollima speaking for our documentary, about those
kind of people working at the wrong place, messing up art. It was sad but also funny: "...meantime in a cave,
near Neanderthal, some cretin, with limited brains..."

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« Reply #226 on: August 31, 2017, 02:03:44 PM »

That's interesting about the CBS LD. In the UK an early VHS by Intervision had the same crude cut you mentioned.

Le Bon, do you happen to have a copy of the Intervision VHS?

I've been looking into this a bit over the past few days. The early LD/VHS/beta tapes are a curiosity because of the fact that they sometimes provide important clues about the history of the handling of the film by the companies prior to MGM's "homogenization" in the late 90s/early 00s with their Extended Edition.

According to IMDB the film was released by several companies in the early 80's:



Lost Media Archive provides some more info on the (small) distributors, which might explain why that crude cut is seen on the UK Intervision VHS (1980) and CBS/Fox LD (1983):


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« Reply #227 on: August 31, 2017, 02:53:58 PM »

Here's a link to a video captured on my phone:

https://vimeo.com/231886345

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Wow - you weren't kidding. That is so weird and amateurish looking Shocked

Usually I can take it when a guy walks up 5 steps instead of 6, but this is a "moment". And great
films are made of "moments". I remember Sollima speaking for our documentary, about those
kind of people working at the wrong place, messing up art. It was sad but also funny: "...meantime in a cave,
near Neanderthal, some cretin, with limited brains..."

Even taking into account showtimes needing to fit financial requirements or supposed attention spans etc etc, examples like this still make zero sense.

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« Reply #228 on: September 01, 2017, 02:50:36 AM »

Here is a detailed comparison between the Lorber Blu and the US Laserdisc. Only in German, but with images and time differences:

http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=320546

I had asked about the flip cuts twice, without getting an answer. There were 2 in the international version, right? One is in, the other not?

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« Reply #229 on: September 01, 2017, 07:26:05 AM »

Le Bon, do you happen to have a copy of the Intervision VHS?


I don't have a copy. A friend I have been emailing has it. I can ask him if there's anything you want to know about it.

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« Reply #230 on: September 01, 2017, 08:05:51 AM »

I am sure that lots of his info comes from Frayling. For example, he says that Leone insisted his inspiration in casting Wallach as Tuco did NOT come from his role as Calvera in THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN - that is a tidbit Frayling always mentions.

Even if Leone really liked the playfulness of Wallach in How the West was Won, there sure was a ton of Calvera from Magnificent Seven in Tuco.  Leone had to have seen Magnificent Seven over a dozen times ....

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« Reply #231 on: September 01, 2017, 10:28:44 AM »

I don't have a copy. A friend I have been emailing has it. I can ask him if there's anything you want to know about it.
ideally a capture of the VHS would be great. If that's not a possibility then I'd like to confirm that it comes from the same source as the CBS/Fox LD. (Although that crude cut is probably enough verification). I can send you a list of distinguishing features of the CBS/Fox LD that he could look for on the Intervision VHS.

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« Reply #232 on: September 01, 2017, 10:56:51 AM »

One great thing Lucas does: He  read the full text that the executioner reads aloud for Tuco's hanging in the second town the audience cannot hear the full text, because part of it is drowned out by Angel Eyes's conversation with the half-soldier and the woman in the stagecoach. (Lucas does credit the person who showed him the full text). It is absolutely hilarious.
I wonder if this is a translation of the Italian script, or if Mickey Knox wrote it all off his own bat.

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« Reply #233 on: September 01, 2017, 11:10:56 AM »

That's a good question. Although it won't shed any light on this, we had a couple of people fluent in Italian and French provide a direct translation of the dialogue of the film in their respective languages. (We also had the French language track translated because Leone was fluent in French and oversaw its development.) Surprisingly, at first glance there seems to very little divergence in the details as compared to the English dialogue, which suggests that Mikey Knox did not stray from the original Italian dialogue too much. I'll start another thread about this when I've completed my analysis.

I'm also curious how many takes were required for the actor who read out the list of charges to NOT burst out laughing.

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« Reply #234 on: September 01, 2017, 12:30:00 PM »

ideally a capture of the VHS would be great. If that's not a possibility then I'd like to confirm that it comes from the same source as the CBS/Fox LD. (Although that crude cut is probably enough verification). I can send you a list of distinguishing features of the CBS/Fox LD that he could look for on the Intervision VHS.

I'll see if he can get a capture of the crude cut and if you send the list to me I will ask him to compare it.

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« Reply #235 on: September 01, 2017, 01:14:01 PM »

Great. I'll get back to you with the list in the next few days. Thanks.  Afro

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« Reply #236 on: September 18, 2017, 12:51:38 PM »

Picture quality wise, how does the Laserdisc compare to the Mondo.

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