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« on: October 02, 2004, 04:44:27 PM »

Would anyone like to comment on the rumors that producer Arnon Milchan has been talking to the  Leone estate about restoring the cut scenes of OUATIA for a directors cut of this great film.

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2004, 09:51:09 AM »

First i've heard of it, but it would be a dream come true!

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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2004, 10:33:36 AM »

i happen to think it's a bad idea... assuming that the cut footage isn't in great conditioning and that the restoring would be more of a remaking... i also heard that there is no sound on the cut footage... i just think it is a bad idea to try and get badly kept footage into an already great movie.

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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2004, 01:48:59 PM »

I happen to think its a bloody brilliant idea.
When scenes from a film end up on the cutting room floor its usually for pacing or rating reasons- for scenes of sex and violence.  This wasnt the case with OUATIA , Leone reluctantly excised between forty five and fifty minutes of what he called 'significant material' from the film once he realised there was no chance of a two part film!

All the scenes of Louise Fletcher as the director of the Riverdale Cemtery, how Noodles came to meet Eve, Senator Bailey and the elderly Jimmy O'Donnell, Noodles watching Deborah on stage and at the station cafe, Max and Noodles casing the Federal Reserve Bank, the elderly Carol and Noodles at the rest home, a black car tailing the elderly Noodles, young Noodles quarreling with his parents, Elderly Noodles in the office of a synagogue, God im getting goose pimples just thinking about these extra scenes.

Think about it Gramps we can have the best of both worlds, we will always have the 229 minutes (recently restored) Euro/dvd version that we all love so much.  And then we would have Sergio's cut.  Dont get me wrong Directors cuts can sometimes be too much of a good thing. I prefer the original cuts of Amadeus and Donnie Darko to the newly restored directors cuts.  So even if OUATIA DC  turned out to be one big let down (somehow I dont think this would be possible with  Leone ) at least we would all get the chance to make up our own minds. I happen to think it would make it a richer experience.
The print would have to be remastered, the actors would have to redub there lines, Morricone would need to be available for the musical cues, Nino Baragli or one of his assistant editors would need to be on hand to advise where Sergio wanted the cuts-especially when were dealing with flashbacks.  Expensive-yes. Difficult but not impossible.

Hell I would even like to get my hands on the infamous 147min US release, only to see what a pigs ear the Ladd Co made of it. So If any of my cousins across the pond have a spare vhs copy-let me know?

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2004, 03:11:15 PM »

i agree with you... if it can be done correctly... i just don't see that happening... seems like a tall order.

i mean look at all the complaints about the good the bad and the ugly... and that was a much simplier restoration... they tried to do too much from what i've heard... all they had to do IMO was add the italian-only scenes that were mising from the american release and leave them as is with subtitles... but no they had to redub them, which i've heard sound terrible... also heard they botched the sound, even on the scenes that they didn't have to touch but decided the mono sound wasn't good enough... this is all from what i've heard, because of this i haven't even taken a look at the new gbu restoration, and if i hear the same problems with this, i wouldn't touch it either... i'm just skeptical that is all... and maybe they have the right people on this one.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2004, 04:00:32 PM »

I would like to see the scenes with Louise Fletcher (to shore up the explanation for Max's 'death') and the scenes of Noodles with his family to demonstrate the full extent of his sorrow - but no more. You're talking 4 hours plus - and that is too long really. To me it flows fine as it is - but any longer and you're going to alienate even the die-hards.

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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2004, 09:05:20 AM »

Well,the possibility of a new restored OUATIA version to be released is very likely.After all,OUATITW and GBU have already been re-released on DVD.OUATIA would most probably be the next target.

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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2004, 09:07:50 AM »

i mean look at all the complaints about the good the bad and the ugly... and that was a much simplier restoration... they tried to do too much from what i''ve heard... all they had to do IMO was add the italian-only scenes that were mising from the american release and leave them as is with subtitles... but no they had to redub them, which i''ve heard sound terrible.. this is all from what i''ve heard, because of this i haven''t even taken a look at the new gbu restoration

Well,you heard it wrong.  Smiley I got the GBU DVD at Christmas,and it was fantastic!The dubbing was good,as well as all the other voices and sounds.  Shocked

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2005, 03:13:57 PM »

I''m also happy with new 2-disc restored GBU, and I also have the original GBU DVD, so I have it both ways.  For the GBU music, the GDM European CD with the extra tracks is the best I''ve got so far.

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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2005, 01:32:38 PM »

Maybe the best thing would be options on the dvd to view the film with all the new material put in or as just the old 220 minute version. It would have been better if they''d done that with the GBU dvd, cos I find the restored scenes are of such obviously lower quality they break up the flow of the film.

Of course, since most of us probably have the 220 minute dvd it wouldn''t really matter to us.

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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2005, 03:17:46 PM »

 Cool  y''know, I think that it is unfortunate but true - like another "dismissed at time of release" classic: BLADE RUNNER, we may never get to see a complete, COMPLETE version of ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA on dvd.

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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2007, 03:35:33 AM »

There is been rumors that Warner Bros and producer Arnon Milchan head of Regency Entertainment planning to release closest version Sergio Leone 2006 daughter of Sergio Leone Raffaella Leone had interview with italian press she confirmed here's the text below translated to the english and link to the italian original website

http://www.repubblica.it/2006/09/sezioni/spettacoli_e_cultura/cinema/venezia/il-leone-restaurato/il-leone-restaurato/il-leone-restaurato.html

 - Reporter:
And you are now working on Once Upon A Time In America, isnt'it?"
 - Raffaella Leone:
"Yes, again in collaboration with Sky we retrieve forty minutes (as a matter fact they recovered only about 25 minutes of scenes) which we rediscovered: for example, a part that Louise Fletcher, Oscar winner for ' one flew over the cuckoo's nest ' which in the final was gone. Let us be clear, though: not you'll close the movie will remain what did my father. We would however show, maybe in a projection to a festival, these unpublished so interesting. Maybe presented and illustrated by someone of Grosso, type Quentin Tarantino ".


Stuart Kaminsky receive an outline for the film the outline was 200 plus pages after additional dialogue reach over 400 pages long. Sergio Leone to release movie in 6 hrs in two parts after producers force Sergio Leone reduce hours of print. The cut was almost 6 hrs according to the original shooting script, but since original shooting script was change alot in terms of financial situation, Stuart Kaminsky claims There is three versions is release in the US, the first two versions got released got very bad reviews, and there is much longer Definitive Version that had never been shown in US.

According to the dvd comentary by Richard Schickel Sergio Leone printed 10 hours of film to assemble as the initial cut of the movie which he prepare with his editor Nino Baragli down to a almost 6 hrs cut at that time, he strongly considered releasing the movie in two and three hours parts each, producers refused in terms of budget (true facts) the original shooting script was change that some scenes were in the script were never filmed.

scenes which failed to appear in the 229 Min Cut on Canne Film Festival Premiere

Deleted Scenes

The boys mug a black musician and take his trumpet

Noodles in bed with Eve and Noodles holding a gun pointing at someone
http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product.asp?sku=169689&master%5Fmovie%5Fid=7745

Young Noodles returns to his tenement, discovering his parents at prayer, and no dinner on the table

When his parents criticise him for being 'godless,' Noodles retorts that money is his god

A brief scene in the 1921 sequences, showing local ganglord Bugsy (James Russo) and his gang being arrested by the police for bootlegging while Noodles and his gang looked on. This would occur right before the gang's meeting with the Capuano Brothers at the harbor

The main importance of this scene would be to establish why Noodles' gang is working with the Capuanos. Dialogue from that scene indicates that Bugsy had been working with them, but since he and his thugs have now been jailed, Noodles and Co. have taken over his old job

Shots of a black limousine tailing Noodles

An ominous garbage truck, used as a link between 1933 and 1968

Senator Bailey arguing with an older Jimmy O'Donnell about a pension scam, just before Noodle's climactic meeting with the former

An opium-induced flashback of Noodles and the gang as children

Louise Fletcher as director of the Riversdale cemetery
http://www.littlereview.com/goddesslouise/articles/frayling.htm

Noodles' first meeting with Eve, and many other minor scenes with Eve. In the original shooting script, this occurs after his rape of Deborah (which happens at night, rather than early morning). A very drunk Noodles meets Eve in a speakeasy and goes to bed with her, calling her 'Deborah'

Scenes of Noodles watching Deborah performing a Busby Berkely musical scene at a nightclub, just before their date, as well as scenes from Shakespeare's Antony and Cleopatra (DVD's picture gallery feature includes an image of Elizabeth McGovern dressed as Cleopatra and holding a snake)

A scene of Noodles talking to the limousine driver before the date with Deborah. There is clear enmity between the two characters, highlighting the way in which Jewish gangsters are perceived by fellow Jews. The reason that this scene was cut was because producer Arnon Milchan, who played the chauffeur, felt that he should not have had such a noticeable role in the movie, and he did not want people to make a big deal out of his cameo

A long scene involving Police Chief Aiello (Danny Aiello) and his involvement with the strike breakers. (Some of the scene's dialogue was reworked into the brief interview with Aiello on the steps of the police station in the final version.) As a follow-up to this, a scene where the gang plans the famous baby-snatching scene with crooked politician Sharkey (Robert Harper) was also shot. Noodles wants to kill Aiello, but is convinced not to by Max and Sharkey

A brief scene during Noodles, Max, Carol, and Eve's vacation to Florida, where a lifeguard, having heard of the repeal of Prohibition, digs up a bottle of liquor from the beach and drinks it thirstily

A frisbee scene another part sequence

An older Carol (Tuesday Weld) revealing to Noodles that Max had syphilis. In the original shooting script, this scene (set between the beach scene described above, and Carol and Noodles' scene outside the Federal Reserve) also has Carol revealing the details of Eve's death to Noodles: "Oh, how she waited, but you never showed up... She shut the windows and locked the door, and nobody bothered to check. She was in there all the time, with her little capsules...there was nobody at the funeral but me." (The latter part of this scene may never have even been filmed, since Eve's death is depicted very differently in the final film)

These scenes were all shot, and the footage still exists

let's hope what else we got

I heard that TV Italian dubbed version clocking at 4 hrs 25 Min

check ot this page some interesting material about movie maybe some facts too

http://articles.dhwritings.com/m16a.html

http://articles.dhwritings.com/m10.html

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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2007, 05:51:24 AM »

Zoinks! That's fantastic news, Derbent 5000, thanks for the info.  Afro

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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2007, 07:42:05 AM »


An older Carol (Tuesday Weld) revealing to Noodles that Max had syphilis.
 
Might account for why Max always got so worked up about being called crazy.

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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2007, 09:27:51 AM »

That's really great news. Now I have another hope in my life Grin.

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