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« #90 : January 26, 2011, 05:54:04 AM »

I often wondered 'bout that as a kid.


yeah, I am sure that there is a significance to it that would be explained in the director's cut.

 And the scene with the old Noodles walking with the suitcase and the frisbee mysteriously flying over his head is quite possibly part of a cut scene as well.

Another thing I found strange is that once Noodles gets out of prison, he immediately begins going on jobs with the group, and voicing his opinion when he disagrees with them, and opening his mouth to Frankie, a big mobster. You would think that if he just got out of prison and suddenly sees that his buddies have been successful gangsters, that a) he would shut his mouth and not argue with their methods; and b) there would be some discussion and "practice" for them to discuss business with him, for him to practice shooting a gun, etc. It seems kinda weird to me that one night Noodles gets out of prison, and immediately he is doing hardcore jobs with them as if he is an experienced member, and arguing with them as if he is an equal member.

Yeah, even in the 229-minute version -- which I believe is one of the greatest movies of all time -- there are several instances where you can tell some scenes are missing. I would absolutely love to see the version Leone intended to release, which according to Christopher Frayling was between 250 - 265 minutes.

(In fact, they shot something like 6-10 hours of footage; Leone originally intended to release it  as a 6 hour/ 2-part movie, which the studio refused).

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« #91 : January 26, 2011, 06:45:31 AM »

Certain things are unexplained 229-minute version. Some examples:

3. Eve kind of appears out of nowhere, ie. we never see where Noodles meets her

Noodles "met" Eve at the bank during the robbery, made a small deposit !!!  And they say that early withdrawal results in loss of interest - TRUE !!!

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« #92 : January 26, 2011, 08:16:22 AM »

2. Frankie (the Joe Pesci character) mysteriously appears at the end of the scene where Noodles & Maxie are in the hospital with Jimmy and then decide to go on a Florida vacation together. We never see the significance of Frankie's appearance.

The detailed script outline Frayling provides indicates that Frankie had no additional scenes than what's in the finished film. His brief appearance at the hospital just seems a metaphor of the Mob coming between Noodles and Max, or foreshadowing of what's to come. I like how people read so much into this brief and, to me, obvious scene.

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3. Eve kind of appears out of nowhere, ie. we never see where Noodles meets her

I have heard that many of the scenes with Eve are among those that were cut.

Yes, although one of the scenes would effect the finish film's continuity and may not have been filmed.



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« #93 : January 26, 2011, 08:16:53 AM »

Noodles "met" Eve at the bank during the robbery, made a small deposit !!!  And they say that early withdrawal results in loss of interest - TRUE !!!

That's Carol not Eve.



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« #94 : January 26, 2011, 09:25:03 AM »

It's perfectly understandable people are interested about everything shown in the movie Groggy.

As for Frankie's appearance in the hospital: the way he acts, it's not so hard to decipher Frankie had something going on behind Noodles' back, it's just that we'd like to see what, and when, and how much. ;)




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« #95 : January 26, 2011, 09:27:33 AM »

Another thing I found strange is that once Noodles gets out of prison, he immediately begins going on jobs with the group, and voicing his opinion when he disagrees with them, and opening his mouth to Frankie, a big mobster. You would think that if he just got out of prison and suddenly sees that his buddies have been successful gangsters, that a) he would shut his mouth and not argue with their methods; and b) there would be some discussion and "practice" for them to discuss business with him, for him to practice shooting a gun, etc. It seems kinda weird to me that one night Noodles gets out of prison, and immediately he is doing hardcore jobs with them as if he is an experienced member, and arguing with them as if he is an equal member.

Same here, I thought about that too more than once - it isn't very believable.




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« #96 : January 26, 2011, 09:28:16 AM »

Most OUATIA fans would love to see the deleted scenes but there are no new statements from the people with the power to make something happen.  I've not seen anything from the studios, Milchan's promise was made in 1999 and Raffaella Leone's interview was in September 2006.

Details of the deleted and unfilmed scenes are in the shooting script and this doesn't contain scenes explaining how Noodles received the invitation to Secretary Bailey's party or the mysterious appearance of Frankie at the hospital.  The frisbee is just an imaginative visual link between scenes, with the misleading undertone that something bad is going to happen to Noodles.

Viewing the deleted scenes would however tell us a lot about Eve and her relationship with Noodles, Noodles' family and early poverty, why Bugsy hates the gang so much and important parts of the story.  For example a black limousine tailing Noodles at the cemetary, Noodles standing near the gates to the rear of Bailey's mansion and watching as the same black limousine explodes.  Jimmy's conversation with Bailey letting us know about his involvement with the unions, that he has made mistakes and how he would benefit from taking his own life.

Throughout the movie, Leone uses imaginative visual links to tie scenes together.  If all the scenes in the script had been included in the movie it would have been uncomfortably long for a single film but the removal of some scenes has weakened some of these visual links.  Examples:

The gang go swimming in a car and the car disappearing under the water is linked to a burnt-out car being sprayed with foam. In the original script, the car disappears under the water and is linked to Noodles' head surfacing in a Turkish baths.

Noodles, standing near an oriental building, watches a garbage truck disappear into the distance (driven on the left hand side of the road), a procession of old cars passes by and links to Noodles' arrival at the opium den.  Noodles watching the procession of cars was to be linked to a procession in Chinatown which would then have more easily linked to the opium den scenes.


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« #97 : January 26, 2011, 02:31:12 PM »

As for Frankie's appearance in the hospital: the way he acts, it's not so hard to decipher Frankie had something going on behind Noodles' back, it's just that we'd like to see what, and when, and how much. ;)
Wouldja believe . . . they're conspiring to cut Noodles out and set him up to look like a stoolie?



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« #98 : January 27, 2011, 02:13:25 AM »

Wouldja believe . . . they're conspiring to cut Noodles out and set him up to look like a stoolie?

Either that, or Frankie is a sanitary engineer.




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« #99 : January 27, 2011, 05:03:50 AM »

Same here, I thought about that too more than once - it isn't very believable.

Indeed, it is not very believable as it is; but perhaps the cut scenes explain some of this. Maybe there are some scenes of Noodles going on other jobs with them and being "indoctrinated" as a full member before he starts opening his mouth to Maxie and Frankie...?

btw, some people have cited the scripts as provided by Frayling as the full shooting script, but I wonder if the footage was actually shot from those scripts, or whether those were just early versions of scripts that were later changed? Or does anyone know whether there is a script out there that contains the full 6-10 hours of film that was shot?


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« #100 : January 28, 2011, 06:46:33 PM »

That's Carol not Eve.

Ooops !!! Now I have an excuse to watch it again, it's been about two years !!!  Thanks !!!

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« #101 : March 11, 2011, 02:34:46 PM »

Once Upon A Time In America getting extended running time closest to the director's version

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6007

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/new_cut_of_sergio_leones_once_upon_a_time_in_america_on_the_way_with_40/#

only 25 minutes has been reinserted instead of promised 40

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« #102 : March 11, 2011, 03:08:03 PM »

Once Upon A Time In America getting Extended Version check this out.....

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6007

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/new_cut_of_sergio_leones_once_upon_a_time_in_america_on_the_way_with_40/#

if this is indeed happening, this is the absolute greatest news I have heard in a loooong time. YEEEEHAH!!!

btw, I never even knew that the movie has been released on Blu Ray till I read these links. I am wondering if anyone can tell me whether the Blu Ray has any features that the regular dvd does not have? Specifically, does the Blu Ray have a Frayling commentary?


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« #103 : March 11, 2011, 03:15:38 PM »

I see it says that Leone's kids have acquired the Italian rights to the film; does this mean this new release will only be released in Italian? That would suuuuuuuuuuuuuck.


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« #104 : March 12, 2011, 02:35:18 AM »

if this is indeed happening, this is the absolute greatest news I have heard in a loooong time. YEEEEHAH!!!

That might have just made my day!

btw, I never even knew that the movie has been released on Blu Ray till I read these links. I am wondering if anyone can tell me whether the Blu Ray has any features that the regular dvd does not have? Specifically, does the Blu Ray have a Frayling commentary?

Same as DVD

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