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« Reply #120 on: March 14, 2011, 04:19:14 PM »

I'd like to see the scenes of Noodles's childhood (the scene with Bugsy getting arrested in particular) and Darlanne Fluegel's extra scenes if they exist. Maybe the 1968 scene between Max and O'Donnell.

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« Reply #121 on: March 14, 2011, 04:42:59 PM »

I'd like to see the scenes of Noodles's childhood (the scene with Bugsy getting arrested in particular) and Darlanne Fluegel's extra scenes if they exist. Maybe the 1968 scene between Max and O'Donnell.

Frayling does not have the scenes with Bugsy getting arrested as being one of those that were cut. That aspect of the story was definitely in a script, but I am not sure whether it was in the final shooting script or whether those scenes were actually shot.... That doesn't bother me terribly; we know that Bugsy didn't like the gang cuz they didn't respect him as "neighborhood boss," and cuz they took his job of being escorts for the Capuano brothers' bootlegging. Sure, having sent him to jail would even further explain Bugsy's rage, but I am satisfied without those scenes; I don't think that is one of the "loose ends" of this film.
 
But I welcome any extra footage  Smiley

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« Reply #122 on: March 17, 2011, 11:23:52 PM »

Once Upon A Time In America 1984 is going to be restore to the closest directors version, some articles i found on web enjoy


http://www.latinoreview.com/news/-once-upon-a-time-in-america-to-be-restored-with-director-s-cut-12886

http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/03/11/once-upon-a-time-in-america-new-release/

http://www.filmjunk.com/2011/03/11/longer-version-of-once-upon-a-time-in-america-in-the-works/

http://www.flicksnews.net/2011/03/40-minutes-of-unused-footage-to-be.html

http://www.movieline.com/2011/03/sergio-leones-once-upon-a-time-in-america-is-about-to-get-even-more-epic.php

http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2011/03/leone-family-restoring-once-upon-time.html

http://geektyrant.com/news/2011/3/10/forty-minutes-of-unused-footage-being-added-to-sergio-leones.html

http://www.slashfilm.com/cut-sergio-leones-time-america-40-minutes/

http://www.filmshaft.com/sergio-leones-kids-planning-new-cut-of-once-upon-a-time-in-america/

http://thefilmstage.com/2011/03/10/sergio-leones-once-upon-a-time-in-america-getting-restored-with-40-new-minutes-added/

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/new_cut_of_sergio_leones_once_upon_a_time_in_america_on_the_way_with_40/

all this articles claiming 40 minutes that just missleading info it's 25 minutes

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« Reply #123 on: March 18, 2011, 06:14:42 AM »

Italian news articles give some additional details.  For example:

It looks like the unreleased footage already has original audio in English

Leone's children have found a script written by him between 1960 and 1965 about a battle between warriors in Ancient Rome.  Inspired by The Magnificent 7. David Franzoni screenwriter of Amistad and The Gladiator is very eager to put together a film based on the script.

Another article reveals that the agreement with Milchan was signed 10 days ago and that Leone thought that the short U.S. version ruined his movie and he would never see it.

It also states that Scorsese has said he is available for the new version.  Leone's children are adamant that the fully restored director's cut will be available in 2012.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/italy/167439-cera-una-volta-america-once-upon-time-america-new-restored-version.html


Thanks for the links! btw, all the articles I have read say that the Leone children have bought the Italian rights to the film. Does that mean the restored version will only be released in Italy? (I may have asked that a couple of times before but I have never gotten a straight answer to that; if anyone knows I'd greatly appreciate it....)

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« Reply #124 on: March 18, 2011, 06:33:24 AM »

You have to ask Leone's children ... Wink

But I'm sure if the one day version exists it will be sold to the whole world.

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« Reply #125 on: March 18, 2011, 06:36:39 AM »

You have to ask Leone's children ... Wink

But I'm sure if the one day version exists it will be sold to the whole world.

well I'd be mighty happy if they indeed posted on these boards  Wink

I am not worried about eventually getting my hands on a copy; these days, everything is available through one channel or another. I am just hoping that we'll get a full-scale (theatrical?!) release with official dvd's etc., rather than having to get a copied version off some guy in Italy!

But if it is indeed released only in Italy, I hope that the English audio will be available. (I have never seen any Italian versions of Leone's films, but I assume that since OUATIA was dubbed into Italian, then they'll probably dub these new scenes into Italian as well, rather than using Italian subtitles).

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« Reply #126 on: March 18, 2011, 07:00:55 AM »

1. I am sure that the Italian company that is taking care of restoring these scenes and releasing the new movie has public contact information. Perhaps someone on these boards who speaks Italian could call them or write them a letter just to clarify this question (ie. whether the new film will be released in America) and maybe some others and post their reply here? That would be mighty cool  Smiley

2. While the articles that have been linked here have said that the the original audio exists for these new scenes, I wonder if Leone actually completed the full post-production for these scenes, including editing, and most importantly, scoring them? If not, then I guess the Leone children and the "restorers" they are working with will choose among the various songs from the film score and place them in the scenes where they believe it's appropriate?

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« Reply #127 on: March 18, 2011, 08:32:01 AM »


Thanks.  Afro

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« Reply #128 on: March 21, 2011, 09:30:39 AM »

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(8)Carol at the Rest home tells Noodles how Eve died alone

Judging from Frayling's description I doubt if this was filmed, since Carol makes reference to Eve killing herself with an overdose. Obviously that doesn't happen in the finished film.

Thanks for the rundown though.

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« Reply #129 on: March 21, 2011, 11:36:46 AM »

Every time I watch this film, a new part of the plot bothers me. I just finished it again, and here is what I cannot figure out:

When Noodles visits Carol in the rest home, she tells him that on that fateful night, Max started shooting at the cops cuz he wanted to get himself killed, cuz he was afraid of winding up in a nut house like his father. (And in some of the extra scenes, I believe Carol also says that Max had syphilis).

  However, once we find out at the end that Max is still alive, it is never explained why he indeed started shooting that night? Some may say that he intentionally faked his own death so that he could run away and build a new life under a different identity, but I do not agree with that; there is no way that Max could have anticipated that by starting the shooting, there would be someone with a similar-looking body to him that would be burned up and people would think it was him and he would be able to get away (Sure, once that did happen, Max took the opportunity to run away and build a new identity, etc.) However, Carol was obviously wrong in her belief that Max was trying to kill himself that night, so I am wondering if anyone can answer me: now that we realize Carol was wrong about Max trying to get himself killed, why did Max start the shooting that night?

(Here is the only answer I can think of: Carol was right that Max indeed started the shooting cuz he wanted to die; however, once he realized he could get away and they'd misidentify his body, he figured that was even better than committing suicide: to get away and change identities. So Carol was correct in her belief about Max intending to die that night, but she was wrong about the final result...? Or perhaps Carol was wrong about the entire thing; Max was really never suicidal and did not really start the shooting that night... but that doesn't seem likely).... I'd appreciate if anyone would clear this up for me.

Thanks  Smiley

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« Reply #130 on: March 21, 2011, 12:05:07 PM »

Hope this helps.
Noodles and the gang are holding Max back.  He is ambitious and wants to pursue career opportunities out West.  He needs the gang's money and doesn't want to leave any loose ends.  In one of the deleted scenes Carol tells Noodles that he doesn't give a sh** about Patsy and Cockeye but he didn't want Noodles to die.
Max owns a funeral business. Getting hold of a suitable corpse wouldn't be a problem for him.
Yes - Max duped her and Noodles

SCENE 140 REST HOME: CAROL'S ROOM (1968) Interior. Late Afternoon.

NOODLES enters. The NURSE closes the door from outside.

CAROL is sitting in a chair, her eyes closed, breathing slowly and deeply, relaxed, at peace with herself.

Coming towards her, NOODLES notices an empty hypo and a hemostat on a nearby table. Without opening her eyes, CAROL goes on talking again as if in a trance.

CAROL
Do you still wake up sick over having killed Max?  You still on that guilt trip? Huh, Noodles?...
You know why I kept wishing I'd see you again?

She opens her eyes and turns to look him full in the face.
   
To tell you he was better off dead. He had the syph. It had started to eat his brain little by little. If he wasn't already crazy, he soon woulda been.



Thanks much. The part about Max getting a "body double" for himself is quite interesting. Everything you are saying seems right, though I wonder if this will be clarified on the restored version. I can't friggin' wait to see it!!!!  Smiley

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« Reply #131 on: March 21, 2011, 12:33:13 PM »

Every time I watch this film, a new part of the plot bothers me. I just finished it again, and here is what I cannot figure out:

When Noodles visits Carol in the rest home, she tells him that on that fateful night, Max started shooting at the cops cuz he wanted to get himself killed, cuz he was afraid of winding up in a nut house like his father. (And in some of the extra scenes, I believe Carol also says that Max had syphilis).

  However, once we find out at the end that Max is still alive, it is never explained why he indeed started shooting that night? Some may say that he intentionally faked his own death so that he could run away and build a new life under a different identity, but I do not agree with that; there is no way that Max could have anticipated that by starting the shooting, there would be someone with a similar-looking body to him that would be burned up and people would think it was him and he would be able to get away (Sure, once that did happen, Max took the opportunity to run away and build a new identity, etc.) However, Carol was obviously wrong in her belief that Max was trying to kill himself that night, so I am wondering if anyone can answer me: now that we realize Carol was wrong about Max trying to get himself killed, why did Max start the shooting that night?

(Here is the only answer I can think of: Carol was right that Max indeed started the shooting cuz he wanted to die; however, once he realized he could get away and they'd misidentify his body, he figured that was even better than committing suicide: to get away and change identities. So Carol was correct in her belief about Max intending to die that night, but she was wrong about the final result...? Or perhaps Carol was wrong about the entire thing; Max was really never suicidal and did not really start the shooting that night... but that doesn't seem likely).... I'd appreciate if anyone would clear this up for me.

Thanks  Smiley
Well, I always thought that the police were very much involved the case; that they saw that Max really gets away, that the others get killed and that a fake body is found. But this of course raises a bunch of new questions that lead to the conclusion that Max never (not in the end anyway) actually seriously thought that he was going to rob the bank - the whole robbery was just a way to cause a lot of noise so that Max could change scenery undisrupted. Naturally this scenario would imply that Max very clearly knew how much trouble and pain he was going to cause Noodles - maybe that was even a strong motivation for his act.

Just my speculation.

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« Reply #132 on: March 21, 2011, 01:03:40 PM »

Well, I always thought that the police were very much involved the case; that they saw that Max really gets away, that the others get killed and that a fake body is found. But this of course raises a bunch of new questions that lead to the conclusion that Max never (not in the end anyway) actually seriously thought that he was going to rob the bank - the whole robbery was just a way to cause a lot of noise so that Max could change scenery undisrupted. Naturally this scenario would imply that Max very clearly knew how much trouble and pain he was going to cause Noodles - maybe that was even a strong motivation for his act.

Just my speculation.

yeah, when Bailey meets Noodles in 1968 and Noodles says "you're crazy," Bailey responds:
"You said that to me once before, a long time ago. But my mind was never as clear as it was at that moment. I took away your whole life from you; I've been living in your place. I took everything. I took your money; I took your girl; all I left for you was 35 years of grief over having killed me."

So obviously this was something that Max had been planning.

There are plenty of possible scenarios for exactly how Max worked it out. I hope this is clarified in the new release (although perhaps Leone wanted this to be ambiguous)? Since we know many scenes of this film were shot but never released, I guess we can't know for sure which scenes Leone intended to explain and which he wanted to intentionally leave ambiguous...

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« Reply #133 on: March 23, 2011, 02:35:31 AM »

Novecento posted this on main Sergio Leone News  Afro


Great news  Smiley


“What a thrill, like a son who returns home after many years ...”
Andrea, son of the unforgettable film director Sergio Leone, along with his sister Raffaella at the head of Leone Productions, has succeeded in a task very dear to his heart. He has purchased from the producer Aarnon Milchan the Italian rights to Once Upon a Time in America, his father’s last film dated 1984.

“It was a long negotiation, difficult, but eventually we made it.” told a liberated Andrea “Now the film will go to the restored images lab of the Cineteca Bologna, directed by Gianluca Farinelli.” They are dedicated to the painstaking restoration of images frame by frame, dubbing the original, soundtrack, effects. “Especially” Andrea Leone continues, “to reassemble the pieces of film, which my father had to cut due to time restraints.”

Among these is the encounter at the Riverdale Cemetery between Noodles - De Niro - and Louise Fletcher (the unforgettable nurse in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest). Louise Fletcher plays the director of the cemetery, an austere and ambiguous character, giving an atmosphere of great pathos to Noodles’ first research of his past.

And also, the encounter of old Noodles with Elizabeth McGovern on stage in a theater as she recites the part of Cleopatra in Shakespeare’s ‘Antony and Cleopatra’. “The dubbing remains the original.” Andrea continues “So we will not dub the new components whose on-screen dialogue will be subtitled in Italian. There will be new and complex editing. To supervise the task we will use some-one exceptional. Like a Quentin Tarantino or Martin Scorsese, who understand the film culture of my father, and are expert in the restoration of old films. We wanted to show the new edition of the film at Cannes this year, but there is not sufficient time. Too bad because the president of the Jury will be De Niro. With Sky, we are studying plans for its launch. I do not exclude that the film will return to theaters in 2012."

But the surprises do not end there. “Rummaging in the drawers of my father’s study” Andrea Leone continues, “we found a screenplay that he wrote between 1960 and 1965. It is the story of a handful of fighters engaged in a battle of Ancient Rome. The film is inspired by ‘The Magnificent 7’. We contacted David Franzoni, screenwriter of 'Amistad' and from 'The Gladiator "and we're making a movie to be produced by studios or independents linked with Milchan. Franzoni is pumped by the idea of putting together a film based on an original script by Leone. He is an avid fan. In his study he has a giant poster of The Good the Bad and the Ugly.”



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« Reply #134 on: March 23, 2011, 04:07:01 AM »

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