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« Reply #435 on: June 26, 2012, 10:55:08 PM »

ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA 1984 RESTORED EXTENDED VERSION Premiere At The Piazza Maggiore A Bologna 2012

C'ERA UNA VOLTA IN AMERICA 1984 Restaurato Piazza Maggiore A Bologna 2012



Only disappointment is that it's not in the original aspect ratio 1.85:1 left and right sides are still crop i compare my DVD and HDTV versions to the early restored studio preparation version and the one premiere in italy, sure you can see the difference

Comparison between HDTV - DVD and early Restore Extended versions and Italy premiere

I analyze images measures the first and third image in 1.78:1 the second image in approx 1.93:1

May be it's to early to say i guess theatrical and video release can be different we'll see upon Blu-ray release later


-- Thanks for sharing these images. as for the aspect ratio:  the dvd of the 229MV  takes up my full hdtv screen, with no black lines on top and bottom, which means that the aspect ratio is 1.78:1, or perhaps it is 1.85:1 but the tv masks a little of the image (according to the experts here, you can only be certain you are seeing the full dvd image if you watch on a computer).

-- How can you tell the aspect ratio from measuring images from the photos on the screen?

-- Although the movie's intended aspect ratio is 1.85:1, some folks here have said that it was actually filmed in 4:3 (but with the intent to crop the top and bottom, to 1.85:1). So if the image is any LESS WIDE (Is "narrower" the correct term here? Wink) than 1.85:1, I guess it's possible that we may be seeing more information on top and bottom, rather than seeing less on the sides.

-- Some people will argue that 1.93:1 or 1.78:1 are only a tiny bit different than 1.85. That's true, though I still don't like studio execs messing around with the image in any way; I want to see it as exactly as the director intended.

But I would not worry about it until the dvd is released  Wink


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« Reply #436 on: June 30, 2012, 03:35:00 AM »

Another thing to consider: in the 229 version, immediately after Noodles takes the key that's hanging on the crypt wall, there's a cut to him opening the locker in the train depot; this transition is now spoiled by the inserted material with Fletcher.
 
The video clips look pre-restoration and it'll be interesting to see what the restorers have been able to do about the transitions for all the additional scenes.

Regarding the Fletcher scene, when Noodles hears somebody entering the mausoleum, he hurriedly puts the key in his pocket. I think the idea was that at the end of the scene Noodles writes down the car's license number on a slip of paper, puts this in his pocket and rediscovers the key.

There is a YouTube clip, presumably a screen cam at the Bologna screening, showing most of the chauffeur scene. At least with that scene there's no transition problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jrPtFJQL0U

  

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« Reply #437 on: June 30, 2012, 07:34:10 PM »

So I don't know if this has been asked, but does anyone know when the new extended version of OUATIA will be available to us proletariate??!!

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« Reply #438 on: July 01, 2012, 06:01:43 AM »

So I don't know if this has been asked, but does anyone know when the new extended version of OUATIA will be available to us proletariate??!!

Regarding a new Blu-ray or DVD some are guessing at 2013 but at this stage nobody knows for certain.

Announcements have been made that the extended version will be shown in Switzerland, in theaters in France in September and possibly Bangkok.


In the meantime available video clips relating to the additional scenes include:


Mausoleum/Fletcher scene - whole scene

Gang emerging from car in water looking for Noodles - extracts

Exploding car outside Bailey's mansion - extract

Noodles and chauffeur -  whole scene (?)

Noodles and Eve - extracts

Deborah at restaurant next to Railway Station - whole scene (?)

Deborah as Cleopatra  - whole scene

Bailey and Jimmy in Bailey's study - whole scene

 


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« Reply #439 on: July 01, 2012, 09:25:33 PM »

dvd and newly restored studio production preparation extended print





















first image from dvd and the second newly restored extended print studio preparation without color corecttion and other effects, more information on all four sides newly extended print

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« Reply #440 on: July 02, 2012, 03:16:03 AM »

What's the source of those pics?

Are there final screen captures available from the new restoration? All these pics show us is the full 1:1.85 image, but nothing about the actual image quality.

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« Reply #441 on: July 02, 2012, 04:14:54 AM »

Thanks for the post and images, Derbent 500. I'm sure most of us would love to know a bit more and any more information you can supply would be greatly appreciated.

I noticed that in May 2012, prior to seeing the extended version at Cannes, Robert De Niro gave an 8 minute interview in English to TV5Monde.

He reveals that Martin Scorcese gave him (and probably others) a low quality DVD of the additional scenes.

In the interview he talks about

The Restoration
The Hoods (Arnon Milchan gave him a copy to read and he then realized that he had read the book many years earlier when he was a child.  He found the book very interesting and real with a ring of truth)
Working with Sergio Leone
Jewish gangsters


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr8rjc_robert-de-niro-on-tv5monde-the-french-speaking-international-channel_fun

 

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« Reply #442 on: July 02, 2012, 08:12:19 AM »

Thanks for the post and images, Derbent 500. I'm sure most of us would love to know a bit more and any more information you can supply would be greatly appreciated.

I noticed that in May 2012, prior to seeing the extended version at Cannes, Robert De Niro gave an 8 minute interview in English to TV5Monde.

He reveals that Martin Scorcese gave him (and probably others) a low quality DVD of the additional scenes.

In the interview he talks about

The Restoration
The Hoods (Arnon Milchan gave him a copy to read and he then realized that he had read the book many years earlier when he was a child.  He found the book very interesting and real with a ring of truth)
Working with Sergio Leone
Jewish gangsters


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr8rjc_robert-de-niro-on-tv5monde-the-french-speaking-international-channel_fun

 


Thanks for the link! The questions are asked in French but De Niro responds in English!

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« Reply #443 on: July 02, 2012, 10:42:40 AM »

I didn't understand the interviewer's question about Meyer Lansky but Robert De Niro seems to have ignored it anyway and instead talked about the book.


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« Reply #444 on: July 02, 2012, 06:55:05 PM »

first image from dvd and the second newly restored extended print studio preparation without color corecttion and other effects, more information on all four sides newly extended print


Thanks for posting  Afro

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« Reply #445 on: July 03, 2012, 03:29:58 AM »

For anyone who is interested and has not yet seen some of the additional scenes here are a couple of links before they are deleted:

Whole scenes (Fletcher/Cleopatra/Bailey and Jimmy):

http://tinyurl.com/bmr8hst


Extracts (Exploding car/Eve/Cleopatra/Deborah at restaurant etc):

http://spettacoli.tiscali.it/spettacoli/video/L-inedito-C-era-una-volta-in-America/530/117508/


There's quite a bit more to the Bailey and Jimmy scene than I first thought.  Bailey obviously has health and digestive problems - he drinks milk throughout the scene.  I used to think that Jimmy persuaded Bailey to sign the papers by promising that, after Bailey's death, his family would be able to keep some money.  However it's now made clear that additionally if Bailey doesn't sign the papers, his son would be murdered.

I also appreciate Robert De Niro's acting in the following scene better.  The bit with the pocket watch wasn't in the original script.  It may be my imagination but when Noodles sees the watch, a meaningful item from the first time the two met, and he realizes that his former friend has kept this memento for over 45 years, his expression softens from contempt to almost a smile, then to sympathy and affection, then to pity and then back to hardness and sarcasm.

WOW

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« Reply #446 on: July 03, 2012, 12:20:28 PM »

There's quite a bit more to the Bailey and Jimmy scene than I first thought.  Bailey obviously has health and digestive problems - he drinks milk throughout the scene.  I used to think that Jimmy persuaded Bailey to sign the papers by promising that, after Bailey's death, his family would be able to keep some money.  However it's now made clear that additionally if Bailey doesn't sign the papers, his son would be murdered.
This is a scene like the one in the grotto cut from GBU--interesting to see, but unnecessary. Just as it isn't important to know where Tuco found his three friends--or even that they are in fact "friends", or at least acquaintances of long standing--it isn't really necessary to know the details of Bailey's deal with Jimmy--or even the fact that there IS a deal. The important matter is, as you rightly suggest, what occurs between Bailey and Noodles in the following scene.

I kind of like seeing Jimmy come back into the picture at that point, to see how, over the years, the ass-kicking shoe has moved to the other foot, but the scene plays like molasses in winter. Not even important exposition could justify such weak dramaturgy.

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« Reply #447 on: July 03, 2012, 12:24:50 PM »

But that the Treat Williams character just vanished was always one of the narrative mistakes of OuTA.

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« Reply #448 on: July 03, 2012, 12:31:41 PM »

Agreed. But solving one problem by creating another is a zero sum gain.

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« Reply #449 on: July 03, 2012, 12:42:44 PM »

Jimmy does not vanish in the 229MV! we see himon the tv in Fat Moe's during the newscast after Bailey's car was blown up. so we see  that he is still around and involved with the union-political shit in 1968.


For me, this restored scene I guess explains why a man as powerful as Bailey is surrendering and killing himself. With all the money he has, couldn't he just run away to some other country and live out his life in peace and quiet? But now that he knows that his son will die if he doesn't "cooperate," it makes sense why he has no other choice but to commit suicide. (To be sure, the question of why he isn't running away did not occur to me previously).

Also, there is an interesting point about anyone who gets involved in the dirty games of mobsters-unions-politicians: you can manipulate the system for whatever you can and make it rich, but once you step outta line, you are done. So many big mobsters make it big and wealthy, but they make a wrong move and then are whacked and done for. There is a line in this scene where Jimmy says something like "yeah I didn't make mistakes. You screwed up" a very loose paraphrase but that's the point. In this dirty game, you can "succeed" and have everything work out, until you screw up; once that happens, it's over in an instant. Everything you built up for years. Kind of like what happened to Noodles and the rest of the gang: they made it very successfully during Prohibition, but in that one fateful night, they were done for.

I am not saying this is an essential scene, but I don't think it's useless or hurts the movie in any way. Although I guess you could ask, if Bailey is first being informed now, during this party, that he has to die, then how do you explain the fact that he already gave Noodles a contract on himself? Nothing that Jimmy says at that meeting should surprise Bailey. Bailey already made the effort to find Noodles and bring him back to kill Bailey; then when Jimmy tells him on the night of the party that he has to die, he really isn't telling him anything that Bailety doesn't know or hasn't been planning for. So perhaps that scene doesn't make sense after all?



p.s. I still think that, as I've maintained all along, that the most important restored scenes are the ones with Eve. (The restoration includes the scenes where Noodles meets her, but not ALL the scenes between them before we see her on the beach in Florida. I hope that if they do restore more scenes, they include all the scenes with Eve). It's important that we see Noodles meeting her and being with her, so that she doesn't just show up on the beach out of nowhere, in love with Noodles


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