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« #510 : December 10, 2012, 05:36:04 PM »

Some-one on another board has said the encoding is 1080 24.

That's just the standard encoding for BDs. It doesn't speak to the quality of the print.

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« #511 : December 12, 2012, 02:43:32 AM »

Speaking of the quality of the print - I hope the picture quality issues with the old scenes are a result of compression. The masters and 4K restoration are said to be excellent and the compression can be fairly easily fixed in the next release by using 2 BDs.

  

Even if theoretically this can be fixed by issuing another release on 2 discs, what are the chances you think they'd actually do that, anytime soon?


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« #512 : December 12, 2012, 02:55:33 AM »

There's  a detailed summary of the new BD and a brief comparison with the BD released last year at Movie Censorship:
   
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=898776

 

Thanks for this link.

so if the 4K restoration looks much better than the original BRD, but the new BRD fucks it up, that doesn't help us much, does it?


I have a dream that one day the studios in this nation will rise up and live out the true intentions of Leone......

and release a beautiful-looking BRD with the new footage... and that in the not too distant future, we'll actually get a 270 - minute version. But as of now, I don't believe shit until I actually have it  >:( >:( >:(


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« #513 : December 15, 2012, 09:12:49 AM »

So first the film was removed from theatrical circulation. Now the Blu-Ray is being removed from circulation. Just how far is Andrea Leone's head up his ass? Does he even bother, ya know, like, watching the film before releasing it? In a 1984 interview with American Film, Sergio said he had "a wretch of a son." Is this being borne out?

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« #514 : December 15, 2012, 02:28:24 PM »

For him, SL's legacy is just a way to get D&D's money.



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« #515 : December 15, 2012, 08:36:42 PM »

For him, SL's legacy is just a way to get D&D's money.

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« #516 : December 17, 2012, 03:41:56 AM »

Hm yes, on the other hand... is this real definition or just a basic "increase sharpness" filter that just recreates artifacts from blurred areas?


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« #517 : December 17, 2012, 04:27:16 AM »

why would the "original" 229 minutes look worse than it does on the WB dvd and blu ray? nevermind the fact that supposedly, there was a major restoration of those 229 minutes as well -- why would they look worse than they did previously?  As for the possibility that it's the size of the file: is there really that much of a difference between a 229-minute file and one that is 250 minutes? Or is it possibly because the restoration caused the original 229 minutes to be a much larger file than it was on the WB disc?


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« #518 : December 18, 2012, 08:09:49 AM »

yes, this info was all posted here previously; around the time of the Cannes festival. Does it implicate the issues with the blu ray?

Also, I don't think it was very clear whether the reason they only restored half of the cut 40-50 minutes is cuz that's all they could find in decent condition, or if it was a conscious decision for some other reason? In other words, is restoring the remaining 20-30 minutes a matter of finding copies of that footage which are in decent shape, or was there some other reason (eg. too expensive to do all of it at once or whatever)? I am just wondering if they are holding out on us here with those additional 20-30 minutes.


I want the missing scene where Noodles buys Eve the bras as a gift... only to learn that her big tits are actually falsies; she's flat as a fucking table. That occurs after the scene where Deborah stiffs him at the train station, but before they go to Florida. Ie. even after he first brougt Eve to his hotel room, he still was dreaming of Deborah; it's only after Deborah "shuts him out of her life" at the train station that he goes back to Eve and really falls in love with her. Which explains why they are so close from the Florida scene on.


Also, there is a scene where the young gang rats out Bugsy to the Prohibition cops for transporting the Capuano Bros. liquor; the cops smash the liquor, and Bugsy goes to jail, then we have the scene where the gang goes to the Capuana Bros. and says "we want to do what Bugsy did..." and show the salt invention. This isn't a huge deal, but without that scene, it doesn't make sense why the boys say " we want to do what Bugsy DID. With that scene, it's all explained why they se past tense: cuz Bugsy is in JAIL!" (And that further explains why Bugsy wants to kill them once he gets out).


There's also a scene where elderly Noodles shows the rabbi the letter about the cemetery, and the rabbi tells him that his 3 friends' graves have been accounted for, ie. all the stuff he later tells Fat Moe during their first meeting in 35 years. I suppose it's not all that important that we see the rabbi telling Noodles that, since Noodles repeats it all to Fat Moe anyway.

But what I REALLY wanna see, in addition to the further footage of Eve I mentioned previously, is the footage of elderly Noodles's meeting with Carol, where she further explains the circumstances surrounding that fateful night.

Also, I am not certain, but I think there may be more footage of young noodles's relationship with Deborah. If so, IMO that is hugely important. cuz in the 229MV, young Deborah shuts Noodles out of her life once she sees that he chooses the gangster's life (and gets beaten up by Bugsy). But, next thing you know, once he gets out of prison, Deborah is there to see him at fat Moe's and says she was counting the days till he got out and on their date at the fancy hotel, she says, 'Noodles, you are the only person i ever cared about..." Well, once Connely shut him out, why should McGovern care about him? However if it's true that there is a further scene of Connely making out with him, that shows that she takes him back, and that makes it more understandable why after he gets out of prison, we learn from McGovern that she was counting the days.


(Anyway, I am sure I wrote most or all of this shit way back somewhere in these 37 pages of this thread  ;))


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« #519 : December 19, 2012, 04:34:27 AM »



There are obviously another 20 minutes or so of unreleased footage and it is difficult to imagine that they are in a worse state than the recently restored new scenes.  Perhaps the further scenes between Noodles and Eve or Noodles and Carol cannot be simply reinserted, perhaps they contradict other parts of the movie or canot be made homogeneous.  Hopefully one day we will find out and get to see them.  In the meantime if, as Davide Pozzi says, the negatives for the new scenes no longer exist and the only materials available are discarded strips of working positives, was anything in those six film reel cans in the Film 4 documentary from 2000, were they just film props or has something happened?

  


The only thing I can thing of that contradicts other parts of the movie, is part of the scene with elderly Carol at The Bailey Foundation's nursing home. She tells Noodles how Eve waited for him to return, got depressed waiting in dark hotel room, downing pills, and eventually killed herself. Obviously, this is inconsistent with the opening scene in the movie, where Eve is killed by the Combination's hit men.

Was the opening scene added later (necessitating the removal of that part of the scene with elderly Carol), or is it intended that she doesn't know what she's talking about?
Of her comments to Noodles that are included in the 229MV, she is partly correct (Max put it in our heads to tip off the cops), but partially wrong (that Max planned his own suicide), although that's really the point, that Max tricked everyone into thinking he was dead. So, even though she is wrong about that point, that doesn't mean she is necessarily supposed to be an unreliable source.

Anyway, other than that footage of her describing a false account of Eve's death, none of the other deleted scenes conflict with the 229MV. (you can download the deleted scenes at A1's site http://msb247.awardspace.com/ just click "Links and Downloads" on the left side of the page, then click "Additional Scenes" on the bottom right of the page.

I believe that the shooting script that's available on that page includes these deleted scenes as well.

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« #520 : December 19, 2012, 07:01:51 AM »

Some reviewers are saying that it looks better on Plasma TVs.
No doubt. But then, everything does.



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« #521 : December 19, 2012, 07:08:07 AM »

I can't remember Sergio Leone using narration/voice-overs much in his movies.  In the Carol at the Bailey Foundation scene her words "Max made fools of us Noodles..." is off camera and could have easily been transferred from another scene.  When we do see Carol, it's difficut to tell initially if her lips are in sync with the words spoken.  As you say Carol talking about how Eve committed suicide with pills wouldn't make sense if simply re-inserted.

I suppose it depends if Leone made the cuts and submitted the movie to the Ladd Co or if, after removing the deleted scenes, he irreversibly altered some of the original scenes.

Before the falsies scene, Noodles meets Eve in the hospital elevator so Max saying that he has a yen for the seashore himself, Noodles asking "Do you wanna go swimming?" etc and Joe Pesci's appearance at the hospital would have to be altered.

Beginning and end frames and obsolete themes and phrases may be a problem.  Suicide was originally a recurring theme and the movie was originally going from Noodles at the Bailey Foundation looking through a window at the darkness outside and saying "Suicide" followed by Deborah as Cleopatra re-enacting one of the most memorable and famous suicides in history.

I've not seen any evidence that scenes such as Bugsy's arrest or Noodles conversation with the Rabbi in 1968 were filmed but yes it would have been good to see them and some of the scenes would have added to the story and assisted interpretation and understanding.

 


Yes, you are correct; the dialogue in that scene with elderly Carol was taken from somewhere else (I think in Carol's own room in the nursing home). Obviously, it's essential to show that scene, cuz that's where Noodles finds out about Deborah, but since the dialogue was spoken in Carol's room in the nursing home, it was used a voice over, so you don't see a closeup of Carol speaking. Now that you mention it, yeah, it would therefore be really tough to re-insert the whole elderly Carol scene into the movie, cuz you'd have to change a scene from how it appeared in the 229MV. (Additionally, you have that dialogue about Eve committing suicide which doesn't fit), so I guess that scene was never going to make it into the new version.

Otherwise, I don't think any of the deleted scenes clash with anything in the movie


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« #522 : December 19, 2012, 01:00:24 PM »

It's a clever quip but some will say completely the opposite.  Their argument would be that matte screens and LCDs/LEDs may reproduce what's on the disc more faithfully and precisely.
   
What's on the discs are "1"s and "0"s. The only question of merit is whether that data, when manipulated for display, resembles "film" (or the original theatrical presentation). Plasma always seems more film-like to me. Others either disagree or don't really care if things resemble film (they may in fact prefer a more"digitized" video look). Others apparently also believe that there are good looking women in England. De gustibus non est disputandum.



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« #523 : December 19, 2012, 02:01:57 PM »

you know chris, after your previous post, I actually typed "remember, dj's opinion is always fact; no one other than him knows shit," but then decided not to post it, cuz doing so would be utterly redundant.


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« #524 : December 19, 2012, 03:24:59 PM »

Can anybody confirm whether that new blu ray disc is indeed region-free, despite officially being listed as region-B? I would buy it on Amazon if I knew that it would play in my region A blu ray player


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