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« Reply #705 on: October 12, 2014, 05:18:19 PM »

I got the BRD ... I skipped around a little; eventually I'll watch the whole thing straight, but I assume that whoever is interested in a report already has whatever report they need from what's been written by those who have seen it ...

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« Reply #706 on: October 13, 2014, 08:14:58 AM »

I've now had a quick look at the new combo box set.  My first impression was that both versions of the movie looked better than my memories of the previous versions.  

The 32 page booklet is o.k. but doesn't contain anything new as far as I could see and the letter from Scorsese is the same as the letter in the press kit when the Italian Extended Edition was announced.

The 229 minute BD is to all intents and purposes the same as that issued by WB in 2011.

Menus and scene/chapter selection in the new Extended Director's Cut seems better than that on the Italian Extended Edition.

Both extended versions have a similar color tint.


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« Reply #707 on: October 13, 2014, 09:09:06 AM »

Thanks, chris. The 2011 BD is, for now, the way to go. I'll stay pat.

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« Reply #708 on: October 20, 2014, 09:08:38 PM »

If anyone wonders, like I did but bought it anyway, the new US Collector's Edition supposed to be region A does seem to be "All Region". At least if worked fine on my region B BR player.


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« Reply #709 on: October 25, 2014, 05:05:24 AM »

I have it too now. Leone, the master of quality cinema - I have 243 Blu-ray's by now, only for three discs I have to adjust the color settings of my TV set, all three being Leone titles. How embarrassing.   

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« Reply #710 on: October 28, 2014, 10:10:43 AM »

Wow for a late adopter of the BD technology, you sure did amass quite a collection quickly!

I saw the one-disc edition in Barnes & Noble (book store) the other day for $13.99. I couldn't resist so bought a copy. Now it's just a question of finding the time to watch it.

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« Reply #711 on: October 30, 2014, 02:59:38 AM »

Wow for a late adopter of the BD technology, you sure did amass quite a collection quickly!

I saw the one-disc edition in Barnes & Noble (book store) the other day for $13.99. I couldn't resist so bought a copy.

I supply a lot of labels worldwide with images, docs and booklets... that explains it I suppose Smiley.

I bought the 2-disc Blu-ray in Germany for €11.- the other day - I couldn't resist either with that price attached to it...
Next to KILLING FIELDS it is my favorite film of the 80s. The 'new' footage looks bad, that's true. I'm gonna
watch it once I suppose. I can't imagine the 'new' cut will have a tremendous impact on me since from a creative
film making point of view the European theatrical version is pretty much perfect. Also I'd rather would have seen addtitional
scenes of those early sequences (the boy gang & Jennifer). Anyway, the colors don't bother me much (since I adjust
my TV set to get rid of too much yellow), but cropped images I loath.

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« Reply #712 on: October 30, 2014, 05:06:01 AM »

I supply a lot of labels worldwide with images, docs and booklets... that explains it I suppose Smiley.

I bought the 2-disc Blu-ray in Germany for €11.- the other day - I couldn't resist either with that price attached to it...
Next to KILLING FIELDS it is my favorite film of the 80s. The 'new' footage looks bad, that's true. I'm gonna
watch it once I suppose. I can't imagine the 'new' cut will have a tremendous impact on me since from a creative
film making point of view the European theatrical version is pretty much perfect. Also I'd rather would have seen addtitional
scenes of those early sequences (the boy gang & Jennifer). Anyway, the colors don't bother me much (since I adjust
my TV set to get rid of too much yellow), but cropped images I loath.


I agree that having a cropped image is unforgivable, but I wonder  – and this is complete speculation, I am just asking – if it may have to do with the slight difference in aspect ratio of the movie and HDTV's:  HDTV's are 1.78:1, while the movie is very-slightly0wider 1.85:1 Since they are very close, the studio perhaps decided that rather than having tiny black bars on top and bottom, they'll just show a little less on the sides.... or possibly show a little more on top and bottom. So one version chose one way and another version chose another, and pretty soon you get these discrepancies with one version having more information in the frame om one side, and another version having more on another, etc.. When there is a huge difference (e.g. 1.33:1 or 2.35:1) then they'll just have the fat black bars on the sides or the top/bottom. But if they decide it's just a minor difference between 1.78:1 and 1.85:1, they get stupid and decide that a minor cropping won't hurt anybody.
Again, this is just a guess; I really don't know anything about it.

Then again, different versions of DVD/BRD's often have different amounts of information in the frame, even when I don't think there is any discrepancy in aspect ratio - even for old movies which are all in one of the 4:3 aspect ratios; I presume that the various BRD versions are all the same aspect ratio, but still various versions have different amounts of information in the frame. There are many examples, but here are two: look at beaver's screencap comparisons for the two BRD versions of:
 Double Indemnity http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film4/blu-ray_reviews_63/double_indemnity_blu-ray.htm
 Casablanca http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews56/casablanca_blu-ray.htm
the two BRD versions clearly have different information in the frame  – often, one version can have more info on top/bottom, while another version can have more on one side or the other – and it is really maddening for a serious film fan. Even if it's just a tiny portion of the frame and you wouldn't notice it without scrutinizing screencap comparisons ... it's just maddening for a purist to know that one version is cropped

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« Reply #713 on: October 30, 2014, 08:34:21 AM »

... Next to KILLING FIELDS it is my favorite film of the 80s...

Tlaking of Roland Joffe, here's the trailer for his extremely delayed latest project:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvZdMPVVrIY

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« Reply #714 on: November 06, 2014, 06:25:21 PM »

So here’s my take on the extra footage.

Noodles chats with cemetery director
Not strictly necessary. However, Noodles’ noting of the license plate ties in with the car explosion below. Perhaps the cutting of this scene partially explains the cutting of the below scene whose excision is otherwise a real loss to the picture.

Gang in water / car explosion
Absolutely essential. The whole thing is shot and edited beautifully with a wonderful visual transition between the two time periods. Furthermore the introduction of the garbage truck helps with storyline continuity by linking with the end of the film. This should never have been cut.

Noodles chats with chauffeur
Not necessary.

Noodles meets Eve at Moe's place / Deborah in station cafe
The beginning introducing Eve is essential for the storyline; the end with Deborah drinking in the cafe is essential for stylistic continuity and is a really beautiful little shot; the sex scene in the middle is unnecessary. After Noodles gets up to leave Moe’s speakeasy with Eve and asks if he can call her Deborah, there should have been a cut directly to Deborah in the cafe. This would have tied together the two of them drinking their sorrows away (Noodles at the bar, Deborah in the cafe) with Noodles’ mention of Deborah allowing a verbal link to accompany the visual. Unfortunately the sex scene between Noodles and Eve between these two scenes does not allow for this continuity.

Deborah as Cleopatra
Not necessary

Elderly O’Donnell meets with Bailey/Max
Not necessary

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« Reply #715 on: November 07, 2014, 12:18:56 PM »

I like all the additional scenes.

And if the unreleased 19 minutes can be reinserted and the color sorted out, I'll be happy.  Smiley

  

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« Reply #716 on: November 07, 2014, 01:38:47 PM »


Elderly O’Donnell meets with Bailey/Max
Not necessary
It actually hurts the picture, it's so boring. It extends the time we spend in Bailey's study (not the most interesting place) and thus diminishes Noodles eventual arrival. It also gives us more time to study the defects in Woods' makeup. The confrontation between Bailey and Noodles is the more interesting exchange anyway; we need to get to it as soon as we can.

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« Reply #717 on: November 07, 2014, 05:24:47 PM »

Yeah the extended cut sucks. Waste of $25. It's like spending money to watch an ugly, yellow piece of shit with 22 minutes of even shittier shit.

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« Reply #718 on: November 08, 2014, 02:26:39 AM »

But that O'Donnel does not resurface towards the end of the film was always one of my minor complaints. It made the character too redundant, and it felt wrong. Without this last scene it would have been better not to show him on the 68 time level.

But then I haven't watched the scene itself so far.

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« Reply #719 on: November 09, 2014, 01:40:28 AM »

But that O'Donnel does not resurface towards the end of the film was always one of my minor complaints. It made the character too redundant, and it felt wrong. Without this last scene it would have been better not to show him on the 68 time level.

But then I haven't watched the scene itself so far.

whether or not they had restored that scene with O'Donnell in Bailey's study, it was absolutely necessary for that 229MV to show the scene of O'Donnell in 1968 on the tv in Fat Moe's. That tv report is the first indication (and I believe the only indication, until Noodles mentions it to Deborah in her dressing room at the end) that Noodles's return has something to do with this probe into Bailey and the union-pension-fund scandal. (This is especially true in the 229MV, which cut out the scene of the elderly Noodles seeing the car at the cemetery and then seeing the same car blow up at Bailey's mansion). If they hadn't shown that tv report, then I believe there would be no mention of Bailey until Noodles talks to Deborah in her dressing room at the end. That would - in my humble, respectful, polite opinion - make zero sense.

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