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« #15 : October 28, 2012, 05:13:43 AM »

Part of the reason I don't much esteem  Laura is because of the "lying" narration. Notice the filmmakers saw a problem too: halfway through the picture the narration disappears.

can't they have avoided the problem of the "lying" narration by just making it the thoughts of a man who is dying, rather than dead. so if, instead of Clifton Webb being killed instantly and lying on the ground dead, how about if he was shot and is slowly dying, and recounting the story as he lay there dying, and then he actually dies only once the story ends. Kind of like how it's done in Carlito's Way (I didn't much like that movie, and there are other problems with the narration there; but the point is that if you have it as someone's dying thoughts rather than his dead thoughts, you basically accomplish all that you set out to accomplish, but don't have the problem that the narration is a LIE

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« #16 : October 28, 2012, 05:21:10 AM »

Lying narration or a narration by a dead guy, I like those ideas as long as not every film does it.

But having a narration only in one part of the film sounds pretty inconsequent. That's probably why I forgot that it was narrated by a dead.


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« #17 : October 28, 2012, 05:35:28 AM »

can't they have avoided the problem of the "lying" narration by just making it the thoughts of a man who is dying, rather than dead. so if, instead of Clifton Webb being killed instantly and lying on the ground dead, how about if he was shot and is slowly dying, and recounting the story as he lay there dying, and then he actually dies only once the story ends. Kind of like how it's done in Carlito's Way (I didn't much like that movie, and there are other problems with the narration there; but the point is that if you have it as someone's dying thoughts rather than his dead thoughts, you basically accomplish all that you set out to accomplish, but don't have the problem that the narration is a LIE
Isn't that done in Double indemnity ?


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« #18 : October 28, 2012, 05:43:18 AM »

Isn't that done in Double indemnity ?

well, he was shot and is trying to escape, he doesn't realize that he is dying

 my problem with the narration in DI is a whole separate issue: it's that the narration gives away the entire movie, as its happening. There's no suspense at all. Basically, MacMurray says what's going to happen, then we see the scene where it happens. Then MacMurray says another bit of the story, and we see the scene where that bit is acted out, then it returns to MacMurray's teling another bit of the story, and we see the scene where that happens....... MacMuray's narration tells the whole story bit by bit, just before each scene. So when we actually see the scenes being acted out, there's very little suspense. It's absolutely ridiculous, the worst sort of narration ever. if they wanted to use narration, they could have used something like The Postman Always Rings Twice, in which the narration is a  Death Row confession, but gives away very little.



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« #19 : October 28, 2012, 05:44:36 AM »

Lying narration or a narration by a dead guy, I like those ideas as long as not every film does it.


I think that in this instance, what dj is referring to as "lying narration" is the fact that the narration is done by a dead guy. It's not two separate things: the narration is lying BECAUSE it is done by a  dead guy


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« #20 : October 28, 2012, 06:26:19 AM »

Lying narration would be that the narrator tells lies. An example is the flashback lie in Stage Fright, which probably wasn't done before.

A dead narrator is no problem if one excepts that films are not the reality.

Oliver Stone's new film starts with the narrator's doubts that she will survive the story she tells:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC2zbOwbeEs


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« #21 : October 28, 2012, 01:38:03 PM »

can't they have avoided the problem of the "lying" narration by just making it the thoughts of a man who is dying, rather than dead. so if, instead of Clifton Webb being killed instantly and lying on the ground dead, how about if he was shot and is slowly dying, and recounting the story as he lay there dying, and then he actually dies only once the story ends.
They did that in the Ida Lupino film The Hard Way. The problem with that approach for Laura is that the narrator has, not to put too fine a point on it, a rather arch way of speaking. It's hard to imagine him maintaining that tone if he knew he was dying and/or he was in pain.



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« #22 : January 27, 2013, 10:48:27 AM »

Beaver on the Blu: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews10/laura_.htm

Looks to me like I can be content with my DVD, but others might want to upgrade.



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« #23 : March 12, 2018, 03:21:47 AM »

I saw this again yesterday. I still haven't given a rating to this. There are some classic noir night scenes in it. It's just that it leaves me unsatisfied somehow.

Judith Anderson is good hankering after her gigolo. She says that she knows he's no good but he is exactly what she needs. I think Vincent Price is miscast as the gigolo. Normally I like him. The rest of the cast are right.



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« #24 : March 13, 2018, 12:33:49 AM »

I saw this film for the first time about 12 or 13 years ago. I loved it then and I still love it now...after about 30 viewings or something.

Gene Tierney was so lovely. Dana Andrews was very hot. The entire cast did a great job. The music is lovely.

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« #25 : March 13, 2018, 10:09:18 AM »

I like the film until it becomes clear Laura hasn't really died. Then, for me, all the gas goes out of the picture. The idea of the hero being in love with a dead woman is something really worth exploring. Obviously we had to wait for Vertigo to see that idea get proper treatment.



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« #26 : March 15, 2018, 10:12:59 PM »

By the way, regarding the narration issue, I barely noticed it. Waldo does an intro at the start....so what? I've always been fine with it.

This film is one of my faves. I'll keep watching it over and over again because I love it.  O0

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