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« #90 : December 11, 2009, 03:04:57 PM »

Have you seen "The Mercenary" yet?

Yeah, I saw it on TCM a while back, good movie. I prefer this though.

TGS is my favorite, I don't know what I was smoking two years ago lol.



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« #91 : December 11, 2009, 05:13:03 PM »

It's fun but I wouldn't say it was a great movie.

Its more polished than Companeros


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« #92 : December 12, 2009, 02:19:18 AM »

Very much so.




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« #93 : December 12, 2009, 03:31:51 AM »

You just wish you could combine the two into the ultimate Corbucci Zapata Western


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« #94 : December 12, 2009, 11:06:18 AM »

Neither THE MERCENARY nor it's slightly lesser sequel aren't as groundbreaking but i'd still call it a classic sw and possibly the most enjoyable.  O0

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« #95 : December 12, 2009, 12:17:03 PM »

For me The Mercenary is a masterpiece. Brilliantly directed with a complex narrative it is even a slightly bit better than TGS.

Companeros is a film I also love, because there is still brilliant material in it, but there are also considerable flaws. Less polished, less intelligent, more superficial and in parts circuitous compared to the TM.
And the acting is generally weaker. Nero is less confident, Milian and Palance are overdoing it, but Palance has at least his moments.
But the soundtrack is fantastic.


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« #96 : December 13, 2009, 03:16:45 AM »

For me Il mercenario is obviously the better movie (accent on ''movie''), while Vamos a matar, compaņeros is only an entertaining flick (accent on ''flick''). IM works just fine as a movie in general (and is also a masterpiece of its sub-genre), I think any moviegoer will concord with this even if he/she doesn't like or know a thing about SWs or Sergio Corbucci. The excellent acting and directing are further enhanced by one of Ennio Morricone's most remarkable scores, making it one heck of a thrill ride, but not entirely mindless, that has you thinking from time to time. It certainly has it's flaws, but they are mostly benign and don't obstruct one's viewing experience that much. VAMC, on the other hand, seems to be just a flick made mostly to capitalize on the success of those previous movies, and this seems to be a general unwritten consensus of the whole crew (as Stanton wrote in the post above). It seems to be OK with everybody. It's still a pretty entertaining flick, but it doesn't fool me even once of being more serious than it shows, thus operating only as a fruit of the amusing excesses inherited to the sub-genre it belongs to.

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« #97 : December 13, 2009, 12:00:19 PM »

I wouldn't label any Corbucci film a masterpiece because he was a guy who would show up on set at noon, and by most accounts, wasn't very dedicated to his craft. Honestly, it shows in his work and that's the reason for my previous statement. I'm not judging his value as a director based on anecdotes but everything I've seen from him is a bit lazy and unrealized in some instance or another. Even Silence has bad scenes, lighting and less than admirable interior set design. I have a lot of respect for SC, but he's closer to a Castellari (who I'm not slighting) than a Boetticher or Peckinpah. Maybe that's why I prefer Companeros to IM.



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« #98 : December 13, 2009, 12:35:28 PM »

I've only seen three Corbuccis so my opinion is qualified, but I would agree, he's not nearly on the level of Leone or Sollima. Whether it's his dedication to his craft (or lack thereof) or other reasons, his work seems fairly slight, though entertaining.



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« #99 : December 14, 2009, 02:05:02 AM »

No.

Corbucci was indeed a director who wasted his great talent. but he was the only SW director to rival Leone. And somehow in his mud and blood films a sort of anti-Leone. Only that it seems he was a lazy guy and let many of his ideas being softened or ruined by sloppiness.

In the end he only had his one great year and that was 68, in which he released his 2 true masterpieces TGS and IM. These films go visually and and conceptually far beyond Sollima, who was a good director but not a great one.
Django and Companeros (and to a lesser extent The Specialists) show still his brilliance, but both also are flawed films. In Django the 2nd half with the Mexicans is a bit disappointing and the 3 big shoot outs are a bit stiffl due tp the lame  cutting, not so damn good as in IM and Companeros. But nothing in Sollima's SWs could match e.g. the ending of Django and all the many other amazing scenes in his best films.

But Corbucci had also made many pretty bad films. That's for sure.


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« #100 : December 14, 2009, 01:47:14 PM »

Corbucci could have been as famous as Leone or any other if he wanted it, that shows in for example Compaņeros.


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« #101 : December 14, 2009, 02:10:43 PM »

Yeah, but Companeros also shows why he didn't became as famous.


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« #102 : December 14, 2009, 02:24:32 PM »

No.

Corbucci was indeed a director who wasted his great talent. but he was the only SW director to rival Leone. And somehow in his mud and blood films a sort of anti-Leone. Only that it seems he was a lazy guy and let many of his ideas being softened or ruined by sloppiness.

Great Silence and The Mercenary are good flicks that don't come anywhere near Leone's best work.



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« #103 : December 15, 2009, 02:20:26 AM »

Il grande silenzio is in fact a rather anti-Leonesque movie (you can follow the line: Ford - Peckinpah - Leone - Corbucci), while Il mercenario seems like a close buddy; maybe somewhat lower in quality but very friendly in concept and philosophy.

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« #104 : December 15, 2009, 03:50:52 AM »

Great Silence and The Mercenary are good flicks that don't come anywhere near Leone's best work.

They are definitely a notch below agreed.


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